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RFK Jr, vaccines, and autism

To make this weird story even weirder, at one point he was kidnapped by Islamic terrorists. He paid them a ransom to let him go!

But then....he kept in touch with them? And gave them voluntary donations of his own accord, despite the fact that he was a pro-America CIA spy? So then he got in trouble for both supporting America and the terrorists....?!

What the heck. This story is confusing as all hell.

Also, the charity Save the Children apparently introduced him to the CIA in the first place, though they deny it.

So Save the Children is also in the pocket of the CIA.

Well, this seems to prove one thing. Conspiracies are real after all.
 
PookieBear said:
To make this weird story even weirder, at one point he was kidnapped by Islamic terrorists. He paid them a ransom to let him go!

But then....he kept in touch with them? And gave them voluntary donations of his own accord, despite the fact that he was a pro-America CIA spy? So then he got in trouble for both supporting America and the terrorists....?!

What the heck. This story is confusing as all hell.

Also, the charity Save the Children apparently introduced him to the CIA in the first place, though they deny it.

So Save the Children is also in the pocket of the CIA.

Well, this seems to prove one thing. Conspiracies are real after all.
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PookieBear said:
I have to say, though I am a skeptic...
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You're not.
 
junkshop said:
You're not.
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So, junk shop, are you denying that the CIA distributed fake vaccines?

They themselves admitted it! The Pakistani government says this happened.

What part of this isn't open-and-shut? Besides the bizarre detail about the doctor also being a possible terrorist who may have been a patsy for the real ringleader.
 
PookieBear said:
So, junk shop, are you denying that the CIA distributed fake vaccines?

They themselves admitted it! The Pakistani government says this happened.

What part of this isn't open-and-shut? Besides the bizarre detail about the doctor also being a possible terrorist who may have been a patsy for the real ringleader.
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You're taking one apparent fact and drawing an entire wide-ranging conspiracy theory from it. Truth is that the CIA conducted an unsuccessful operation in Pakistan and that's it. You can't just wildly speculate about what else they may have done without evidence, citing this one operation as your proof.
 
arthwollipot said:
You're taking one apparent fact and drawing an entire wide-ranging conspiracy theory from it. Truth is that the CIA conducted an unsuccessful operation in Pakistan and that's it. You can't just wildly speculate about what else they may have done without evidence, citing this one operation as your proof.
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I am just repeating what Wikipedia says. They caused an outcry against vaccines, which made polio rates shoot up, and the wrong guy landed in jail over it cause they fingered him as the mastermind.

According to Vice, any women seen distributing polio vaccines afterwards were seen as "traitors", "spies" and "Israeli agents" and some were killed and raped for "hurting kids."

This isn't a CT. This really happened.
 
Here in Japan I caught a news report last night on NHK (Japanese TV) that mentioned that Kennedy has spread claims that HIV doesn't cause AIDS among the misinformation he promotes.
 
PookieBear said:
Well, yes. Everyone knows that. That's common knowledge.

Here is where it gets....weird. The CIA was once engaged in producing fake shots, as part of some bizarre scheme to catch "the bad guys".
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As far as my fact-checking can ascertain, the vaccines in this case, at least those supplied by the CIA, were real vaccines.

www.theguardian.com

CIA's fake vaccination programme criticised by Médecins Sans Frontières

Cover used by US intelligence to spy on Bin Laden in Pakistan 'threatened immunisation work around the world'
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However, on the ground in Abbottabad the Guardian discovered that while the vaccine doses themselves were genuine, the medical professionals involved were not following procedures. In an area called Nawa Sher, they did not return a month after the first dose to provide the required second batch. Instead, according to local officials and residents, the team moved on, in April this year, to Bilal Town, the suburb where Bin Laden lived.
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PookieBear said:
I am just repeating what Wikipedia says.
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No you're not. You're also saying

PookieBear said:
I don't think you should trust the CIA to respect the rules. This is the same organization that might have killed Malcolm X and Kennedy.
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PookieBear said:
To make this weird story even weirder, at one point he was kidnapped by Islamic terrorists. He paid them a ransom to let him go!
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PookieBear said:
Also, the charity Save the Children apparently introduced him to the CIA in the first place, though they deny it.

So Save the Children is also in the pocket of the CIA.
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none of which are in the Wikipedia article.
 
PookieBear said:
... the real doctor who gave phony shots said so.
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Phoney shots? What evidence is there that the shots were phoney? Why on earth would Save the Children agree to pretend to vaccinate children when they could actually vaccinate children?

Surely they were giving real shots but the CIA were using the campaign as a cover to harvest DNA samples looking for relatives of OBL.
 
I agree with what I take to be Kookbreaker's point that this covert operation has nothing to do with RFK and vaccine efficacy. I have no reason to doubt the reporting in The Guardian, which indicated that the vaccines were real; the failure to perform the second shot looks dubious for more than one reason.
 
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I maintain that this isn't "a conspiracy theory." This really happened. These are just FACTS.

By the way, it had tragic results. Absolutely tragic.

It made Muslims, who already think vaccines are an American or Jewish conspiracy to kill them and sterilize them, even MORE determined to not take them. Polio rates shot up, right when the world was on the brink of eradicating polio forever.

People who administer shots were seen as the enemy and viciously attacked for "hurting children." They were gang raped!

I don't know how you are even questioning this, to be honest.
 
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