angrysoba
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Sure there are. But not in the way that "wrong pronouns" are often used in this debate.
Transwomen are not Women - Part 15
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Hercules56
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Judge has scrapped Biden's Title IX expansion to cover trans kids.
smartcooky
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I will ask the same question I asked on that article..... "How the ◊◊◊◊ can a five-year old be trans-identified?"
Rolfe
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It's like the vegan cat. You know who's making the decisions.
Emily's Cat
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A five year old doesn't even know what pronouns ARE.
Thermal
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Looking over the complaint, it wasn't the kid that demanded that she be called a he. The parents demanded it.
d4m10n
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d4m10n
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News articles here; original opinion here.
Here is the core of the opinion, in the judge's own words:
Put simply, there is nothing in the text or statutory design of Title IX to suggest that discrimination “on the basis of sex” means anything other than it has since Title IX’s inception—that recipients of federal funds under Title IX may not treat a person worse than another similarly-situated individual on the basis of the person’s sex, i.e., male or female.
A bit more on how Title IX was originally designed:
While Title IX sought to level the playing field between men and women, it is rife with exceptions that allow males and females to be separated based on the enduring physical differences between the sexes... For example, institutions that receive federal funds may permit separation of the sexes for purposes of living facilities, boys and girls conferences, and social sororities and fraternities... And these are just a few examples.
Basically, Title IX was written to take into account actual sex differences, not intended to abolish or ignore them. The reinterpretation of the Biden-era DOE changes the meaning and effect of those laws so much as to constitute an unlawful "attempt to bypass the legislative process."
smartcooky
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If Liberals (Labour in my county, Democrats in the US) ever want to gain power again, they really need to get themselves out of this transgender self ID hole they have dug themselves into.
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d4m10n
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That doesn't seem particularly likely, given the partisan polarization of these issues in the U.S.
I'm kind of torn on that story. She shouldn't have been fired but......
Based on my experience, 5 your olds have very fixed ideas about the binary of sex and gender and they are very certain of the binary. My boy tends to grow his hair long. At about 5 he had short hair and his 5 year old cousin saw a picture of him as a 4 year old with long hair, "That's you when you were a girl!" Far more common an attitude among fiver year olds than not from what I've seen. Also, 5 year olds occasionally identify as cats, dogs, dragons......
smartcooky
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I'm not torn at all. I hope that teacher takes the school district to the cleaners.
And based on my experience, five-year olds barely know that gender is even a thing and have NO idea what pronouns are (they haven't even started to learn grammar yet). I would almost guarantee this is being entirely driven by the parents.
Rolfe
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It's that vegan cat again.
Near certainty.
ETA: seriously, when is this even an issue? During the parent teacher conference? When would the teacher actually being addressing the childe by a pronoun?
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Brainster
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Note in particular the essentially party-line vote (two Democrats voted in favor, no Republicans voted against) yesterday on banning trans athletes from women's and girl's sports at federally funded schools.
Thermal
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It's spelled out as such in the complaint.
A kindergarten teacher will refer to other students in the room while teaching, using each other as examples and posing questions, like "what color is her hair?" and if a student says the "wrong" pronoun when referring to another student, the teacher is expected to "correct" it.
Good point.
d4m10n
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Yes, and that is literally the easiest case! Non-partisans can easily see the unfairness of Lia Thomas bumping young women from podiums and record books; you have to be steeped in critical social justice ideology to miss it.
angrysoba
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Rolfe
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Nobody minds a trans-identified woman competing in women's sports so long as she isn't emulating the 1970s East German swimming team by doping on testosterone.