Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Ivor the Engineer said:
...the world is turning to crap around you and the most important issue you can think to talk seemingly endlessly about is this?
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I doubt you've factored in whether trans issues have a substantial effect on other issues. For example, the ACLU wants Biden to veto the U.S. military spending bill over trans healthcare for minors.
 
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HansMustermann said:
That too, in any case. Just having to shower with or undress/change, against your will, in front of someone with a penis is, I would imagine, mortifying. I was more focusing on the constant actual danger of being assaulted and defenceless against it, but, yes, as you say, it goes further than that.
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Both aspects are important. However, we do have to bear in mind that even if males housed in women's prisons could be guarded in such a way as to make it 100% certain they could never lay a finger on a woman, it still wouldn't be acceptable to have them there. Many incarcerated women are victims of sexual assault and domestic violence carried out by men and the mere presence of a man is traumatising to them. Even women who are not in that category are mortified and humiliated by being forced to undress and shower in the presence of men. These men have form for such behaviours as parading around with a visible erection, either naked or obvious under clothing. They have also been reported as threatening women who are forced to share a cell with them with rape and assault, which is upsetting enough even if they don't actually do it.

One positive aspect of women's prisons is that the day-to-day life there is female-only. Incarcerated women have the chance to built friendships and support each other in a single-sex environment. Put a man in there and the entire society is corrupted. There's also the situation that occurred in Greenock prison some years ago, where there was a monthly prize for the winner of the fitness competition. This was instituted to encourage women to take care of themselves and exercise healthily, and the prize was treats that were much sought after by the prisoners. A male inmate simply strolled up and took the prize every month, without breaking sweat. The women were so demoralised they gave up trying.
 
Well, I'm not contradicting any of that. I'm just focusing on the worst issues, because, honestly, and I think you would agree, if we listed all the issues, we'd be here until January :p
 
Yep, men are perverts. No doubt.

But let's be honest. Making a law that makes it a criminal offense for a person with a penis to use a women's bathroom is overkill nonsense. Transwomen have been using women's bathroom almost entirely unnoticed for decades. Most of the trans women I know are interested in men, not women. CIS males are 100 times the threat to women than transgender individuals.

These laws aren't actually about protecting women. They are about assuaging the fears and insecurities of men. They are so insecure about their own sexuality. Me Tarzan, me protect Jane. They are so afraid they might discover that pretty girl they are attracted to has a penis that something must be done.
 
acbytesla said:
Most of the trans women I know are interested in men, not women. CIS males are 100 times the threat to women than transgender individuals.
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Who cares about the people you personally know? It's irrelevant.

And I'm going to need some backup for that statistic, because I don't think it's been demonstrated. At all.
 
Matthew Best said:
Who cares about the people you personally know? It's irrelevant.

And I'm going to need some backup for that statistic, because I don't think it's been demonstrated. At all.
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I'm sure you don't. You're so afraid of them, you wouldn't allow yourself to get to know any. I'm a straight man who tended bar in a mostly gay bar. I have met and become friends with lots of gay and transgender individuals. Guess what. They aren't the boogeymen you make them out to be. Also you won't become infected by it.

Feel free to present evidence regarding the number of physical attacks on women that occur in public restrooms. And the percentage of such attacks that are committed by Transwomen.
 
Blimey, it's true. A complete fringe reset, including the assumption that the only danger women are concerned about is from genuinely trans identifying males, as if the previous discussion never happened. I honestly expected better.
 
acbytesla said:
Yep, men are perverts. No doubt.

But let's be honest. Making a law that makes it a criminal offense for a person with a penis to use a women's bathroom is overkill nonsense. Transwomen have been using women's bathroom almost entirely unnoticed for decades.
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Indeed they have. They were known as "transvestites" ( a term now apparently considered to be unacceptable by the Political Correctness Brigade and the Thought Police). They lived the life, looked the part, and were accepted in those spaces because they were not any trouble, and posed no threat. What has changed now is there has sprung up an aggressive, violent Trangender Radical Activist organization that has stirred up the situation by forcefully advocating that ANY person becomes transgender by mere dint of saying so, and demanding that people like this....
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... should have right of access to women's rape crisis centres, women's shelters, women's prisons, and women's toilets. If you agree this should be allowed, then YOU are part of the problem.

acbytesla said:
Most of the trans women I know are interested in men, not women. CIS males are 100 times the threat to women than transgender individuals.
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... but not all. And those who self ID are a much, much greater threat. You asked for examples and figures. They have been presented for you, but you handwaved them away. You have had my personal examples, but you dismissed them. Both of my daughters, after their near misses with males in women's public toilets, are now too afraid to use any public facilities. They have had to change their life because some idiots decided fiat self ID was a good idea. The impact on them is that now, if they need to use a toilet, they need to get to a friend's place and hope they are home. One of the things they do is go into a bar and buy a glass of wine so that they are a customer and can use the toilet in there.

And now, you're trying to pretend none of this has been discussed before with you.....another fringe reset.

acbytesla said:
These laws aren't actually about protecting women. They are about assuaging the fears and insecurities of men. They are so insecure about their own sexuality. Me Tarzan, me protect Jane. They are so afraid they might discover that pretty girl they are attracted to has a penis that something must be done.
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Utter bollocks
 
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smartcooky said:
Indeed they have. They were known as "transvestites" ( a term now apparently considered to be unacceptable by the Political Correctness Brigade and the Thought Police). They lived the life, looked the part, and were accepted in those spaces because they were not any trouble, and posed no threat. What has changed now is there has sprung up an aggressive, violent Trangender Radical Activist organization that has stirred up the situation by forcefully advocating that ANY person becomes transgender by mere dint of saying so, and demanding that people like this....
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What transgender violent activist organization? And nobody said you had to like anything. There are lots of things I don't like that I ignore. And you of course may remain being bigoted and hateful as long as you want.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm sure you don't. You're so afraid of them, you wouldn't allow yourself to get to know any. I'm a straight man who tended bar in a mostly gay bar. I have met and become friends with lots of gay and transgender individuals. Guess what. They aren't the boogeymen you make them out to be. Also you won't become infected by it.

Feel free to present evidence regarding the number of physical attacks on women that occur in public restrooms. And the percentage of such attacks that are committed by Transwomen.
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You're wrong about me, and the people I know, AND you've reversed the burden of proof. You made a claim, it's not my job to look for proof that your claim is wrong, it's your job to demonstrate it's true. Now jump to it, or withdraw it.

(and you moved the goalposts: your claim was that "CIS males are 100 times the threat to women than [sic] transgender individuals." There was nothing about "public restrooms" so why you've switched your claim to something else is a mystery. Or is it.....?
 
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smartcooky said:
... should have right of access to women's rape crisis centres, women's shelters, women's prisons, and women's toilets. If you agree this should be allowed, then YOU are part of the problem.
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Only your problem. Not an actual problem. I am secure in my masculinity.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
I suggest each of you write down a list of the problems in the world that affect you and then rank them in order of how much of your attention they deserve.
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OK. Near the top of the list: there is a systematic assault on truth. There are many manifestations of this assault, but it is pervasive, and it impacts every other problem, because it corrupts efforts to address all those other problems.

If we cannot tell the truth about something as obvious as males and females being different, then we cannot tell the truth about anything. And every problem we face will be worse because of that inability to tell the truth.
Ivor the Engineer said:
If this issue is top of your list then consider yourself either one of the most fortunate people alive or one of the most stupid, no matter what level of education you have.
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If you think the ability to tell the truth is near the bottom of the list, you don't understand how society works. You don't understand how humans work. And you live a very, very privileged life if you don't face consequences from lies.
 
acbytesla said:
These laws aren't actually about protecting women. They are about assuaging the fears and insecurities of men. They are so insecure about their own sexuality. Me Tarzan, me protect Jane. They are so afraid they might discover that pretty girl they are attracted to has a penis that something must be done.
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I'm sure all the females on this thread who have told you about their safety concerns (which you studiously ignore) are lying, and what they're really afraid of is discovering that they are, in fact, homosexual men. Boy, won't they be surprised when they find out.
 
acbytesla said:
What transgender violent activist organization?
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Far-left activists who resort to intimidation, harassment, and even violence to advance their radical agenda surrounding gender.


acbytesla said:
And nobody said you had to like anything. There are lots of things I don't like that I ignore.
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You are not a women who could have a man intent on violence being allowed to follow you into the toilets... and don't try to pretend this is some boogeyman argument... You have been presented with actual examples of this happening... but you either ignored them, dismissed them or pretended they never happened

acbytesla said:
And you of course may remain being bigoted and hateful as long as you want.
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I'm not bigoted or hateful. My only crime is wanting the women in my life to be safe from predators. I make NO apology for that and I NEVER will.
 
smartcooky said:
You are not a women who could have a man intent on violence being allowed to follow you into the toilets... and don't try to pretend this is some boogeyman argument... You have been presented with actual examples of this happening... but you either ignored them, dismissed them or pretended they never happened
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I'm not sure that it's a matter of him ignoring those case so much as just not caring.

After all, he's secure in his masculinity, and a male assaulting a female in a women's bathroom doesn't threaten that masculinity. So why should he?
 
Matthew Best said:
You're wrong about me, and the people I know, AND you've reversed the burden of proof. You made a claim, it's not my job to look for proof that your claim is wrong, it's your job to demonstrate it's true. Now jump to it, or withdraw it.

(and you moved the goalposts: your claim was that "CIS males are 100 times the threat to women than [sic] transgender individuals." There was nothing about "public restrooms" so why you've switched your claim to something else is a mystery. Or is it.....?
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You're the one claiming that you're protecting the security of women. I don't buy for one second that there is an actual security problem. And by that I'm not saying that men whether they are CIS or transgender have never assaulted a woman. Which by the way is illegal regardless of ID. Just that these laws do not safeguard women. They only are another form of hate. That transgender individuals are just the next one in line for that long time honored tradition of man's inhumanity towards man.
 
acbytesla said:
You're the one claiming that you're protecting the security of women. I don't buy for one second that there is an actual security problem. And by that I'm not saying that men whether they are CIS or transgender have never assaulted a woman. Which by the way is illegal regardless of ID. Just that these laws do not safeguard women. They only are another form of hate. That transgender individuals are just the next one in line for that long time honored tradition of man's inhumanity towards man.
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Would it change your mind if you were convinced that these laws do make women safer?
 
Ziggurat said:
Would it change your mind if you were convinced that these laws do make women safer?
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I can answer that. If you were to present him with solid, irrefutable evidence that they do, his responses would be one or more of the following, in no particular order

Attack the evidence
Attack the source
Handwave it away
Ignore it
Pretend it doesn't mean what you think it means
Pretend it doesn't exist

Then he would flounce... and that would be followed after a few days, weeks or months, by a another fringe reset - coming back into the thread and pretending you never presented that evidence. Far left ideologues! This is what they do. Their world-view is driven by their ideology, not by caring a jot about the society everyone else has to live in.

@acbytesla As you probably already realise, I am politically a Liberal, I don't agree with Ziggurat's politics. I am politically and philosophically opposed to many of the opinions he expresses on this forum. But I am 100% in accord with him on this issue... here are a number of others here like me in this regard. It should give you pause to wonder why that is.
 
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