General UK politics VIII - The Last Tory

[zooterkin]

I think if one was transported back to the 1970's it would be a bit of a shock how much dirtier & smellier a lot of things (and people) were. Not to say it wasn't a great time to be alive, I'm quite nostalgic for the period, but standards have changed a lot since then.

Yes; it seems unthinkable today, but people used to smoke at their desks in open-plan offices. And lunchtime drinking was absolutely normal (I worked at more than one place that had on-site bars that were open at lunchtime).

The changes in the law regarding smoking have absolutely improved working and leisure environments (at least for the non-smokers!).

 

[Andy_Ross]

Reform UK is in "open negotiations" with US billionaire Elon Musk about him donating to the party, Nigel Farage has told the BBC.

The Reform UK leader said the pair "did talk about money" during a meeting on Monday at Donald Trump's Florida retreat.
He added that the tech tycoon, a prominent supporter and major donor to Trump's re-election campaign, was "fully, fully behind us".
"He wants to help us, he's not opposed to the idea of giving us money, provided we can do it legally through UK companies," he added.

Elon Musk in talks over Reform UK donation, says Nigel Farage

The Reform UK leader tells the BBC his party is "in negotiations" over a donation with the US tycoon.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Andy_Ross]

A British MP is negotiating with a foreign billionaire, hostile to the UK government, to finding a way to fiddle a potentially vast donation.

 

[zooterkin]

Do we still have treason on the statute books?

 

[KDLarsen]

I note that the Grauniad suggested one way for ol' musky to be able to give money to Reform, would be to obtain UK citizenship (apparently his grandmother was British).

Would be hilarious for him to do so, only for someone to whisper in his ear that he's now subject to UK law as well.

 

[Norman Alexander]

A British MP is negotiating with a foreign billionaire, hostile to the UK government, to finding a way to fiddle a potentially vast donation.

Do we still have treason on the statute books?

There is always banishment for Farage.

‘Medieval Exile’: The 42 Britons stripped of their citizenship

A case-by-case breakdown of the people the UK government sought to exile.

www.thebureauinvestigates.com

 

[zooterkin]

There is always banishment for Farage.

‘Medieval Exile’: The 42 Britons stripped of their citizenship

A case-by-case breakdown of the people the UK government sought to exile.

www.thebureauinvestigates.com

That only applies to people with dual nationality, though some reports did suggest that Farage did apply for a German passport in 2016.

 

[Norman Alexander]

That only applies to people with dual nationality, though some reports did suggest that Farage did apply for a German passport in 2016.

I looked into it a bit. It's not just for dual nationals. Apparently any UK citizen can be banished. It is just that dual nationals are the most common. Interestingly, UK citizens cannot be exiled.

 

[zooterkin]

I looked into it a bit. It's not just for dual nationals. Apparently any UK citizen can be banished. It is just that dual nationals are the most common. Interestingly, UK citizens cannot be exiled.

Ah, fair enough, there is hope. The article you linked to seemed to say it was only dual nationality holders that could have British citizenship removed.

 

[Darat]

Ah, fair enough, there is hope. The article you linked to seemed to say it was only dual nationality holders that could have British citizenship removed.

Ah, fair enough, there is hope. The article you linked to seemed to say it was only dual nationality holders that could have British citizenship removed.

It seems that if our Home Secretary decides another country must give them citizenship that’s all it takes.

 

[junkshop]

Reform UK is in "open negotiations" with US billionaire Elon Musk about him donating to the party, Nigel Farage has told the BBC.

The Reform UK leader said the pair "did talk about money" during a meeting on Monday at Donald Trump's Florida retreat.
He added that the tech tycoon, a prominent supporter and major donor to Trump's re-election campaign, was "fully, fully behind us".
"He wants to help us, he's not opposed to the idea of giving us money, provided we can do it legally through UK companies," he added.

Elon Musk in talks over Reform UK donation, says Nigel Farage

The Reform UK leader tells the BBC his party is "in negotiations" over a donation with the US tycoon.

www.bbc.co.uk

That looks an awful lot like an admission of conspiracy to breach UK electoral law.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Ah, fair enough, there is hope. The article you linked to seemed to say it was only dual nationality holders that could have British citizenship removed.

Indeed. On the understanding that they will not be rendered stateless as a result of withdrawal of UK citizenship.

 

[Norman Alexander]

It seems that if our Home Secretary decides another country must give them citizenship that’s all it takes.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the terms "banishment" and "exile". I'm wondering if the two are interchangeable or not.

At this point, my understanding is "banishment" means loss of citizenship but not necessarily removal from UK territory (which it used to mean). Whereas "exile" is the physical removal from the UK territory, citizenship regardless.

I gather banishment is what happens to UK citizens who were Soviet spies who have gone to live in Russia. If so, that sounds just about perfect for Farage. He lurves himself some British bulldog law and order.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Mauritius says it has submitted changes to a proposed deal over the future of the Chagos Islands, with the country's new PM saying the original agreement did not benefit his country enough.

Speaking in the Mauritian parliament on Tuesday, Ramgoolam said that his government had submitted counter-proposals aimed at ensuring that the final agreement aligned with the nation's interests.

"During the discussions, Mauritius made clear that while it is still willing to conclude an agreement with the United Kingdom, the draft agreement which was shown to us after the general elections is one which, in our view, would not produce the benefits that the nation could expect from such an agreement," Ramgoolam told MPs.

He did not spell what the counter-proposals were or the exact nature of the objections.

Chagos Islands deal: New Mauritian PM sends fresh proposals to UK

Navin Ramgoolam says the original agreement did not benefit his nation enough.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Andy_Ross]

Of course they are!

Senior Conservative MPs are seeking to scrap Brits’ legal rights to maximum working hours, guaranteed annual leave, and holiday pay, as Labour’s landmark workers’ rights bill makes its way through Parliament.

The Conservative MPs on the bill’s scrutiny committee, the Shadow Business Minister Greg Smith, Assistant Whips Nick Timothy and Sir Ashley Fox and Peter Bedford – have sought to table amendments to Labour’s Employment Rights Bill that would strip workplace protections from millions of British workers, including the complete removal of maximum working hours regulations.

The efforts would revoke the Working Time Regulations 1998, which currently ensure British workers have rights to paid holidays, rest breaks, and a 48-hour maximum working week.

Conservatives have also suggested that new prohibitions on workplace harassment could infringe freedom of speech

Conservative MPs Want to Scrap Workers' Rights to Paid Holiday and Annual Leave

They are also seeking to overturn workplace protections from sexual harassment, calling them an attack on "free speech"

bylinetimes.com

 

[junkshop]

Of course they are!

Conservative MPs Want to Scrap Workers' Rights to Paid Holiday and Annual Leave

They are also seeking to overturn workplace protections from sexual harassment, calling them an attack on "free speech"

bylinetimes.com

◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊ bastards. They all need to get their whoreson ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ entitled ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ arses into the deepest ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ depths of the sea, like the ◊◊◊◊◊ that they are, IMHO.

ETA: I was expecting more diamonds.

 

[Mojo]

Of course they are!

Senior Conservative MPs are seeking to scrap Brits’ legal rights to maximum working hours, guaranteed annual leave, and holiday pay...

That was the purpose of Brexit, wasn't it?

Conservatives have also suggested that new prohibitions on workplace harassment could infringe freedom of speech

I thought they wanted to leave the ECHR.

 

[KDLarsen]

Jolly good luck to them:

House of Commons should consider electronic voting, MPs say in letter

Exclusive: New MPs and backbenchers complain of wasted time in document sent to leader of Commons

www.theguardian.com

IIRC the last parliament voted to maintain the current setup, including its archaic voting system, as part of the House of Commons renovation.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Yes; it seems unthinkable today, but people used to smoke at their desks in open-plan offices. And lunchtime drinking was absolutely normal (I worked at more than one place that had on-site bars that were open at lunchtime).

The changes in the law regarding smoking have absolutely improved working and leisure environments (at least for the non-smokers!).

Yeah, my first office job was in an unventilated portacabin in a corner of an unventilated warehouse, 10 of us in one room and 7 smoked. As an asthmatic it was a joy!

 

[Mongrel]

I think if one was transported back to the 1970's it would be a bit of a shock how much dirtier & smellier a lot of things (and people) were. Not to say it wasn't a great time to be alive, I'm quite nostalgic for the period, but standards have changed a lot since then.

I remember someone at the office had a classic Triumph Stag that they loved. You could always tell their bay as it had the matching stains on the wall where the exhausts were