Assassination of United Healthcare CEO

[Donal]

dupe

 

[Donal]

well for all the criticism he's getting he hasn't been caught yet

He's a cop. I'd bet money on it

 

[TragicMonkey]

He's a cop. I'd bet money on it

But the victim was white!

 

[TragicMonkey]

This, A pro would use a gun that was not prone to jamming.

I'm not a professional assassin, just a keen amateur, but in a situation like this I'd bring two guns. Just in case. Like I always bring two pens with me when I go to the office, in case one runs out of ink.

 

[Donal]

I would say a professional works with the best tools available. The fact that he cleared the jam/worked the action without losing stride says something about his skill level.

 

[dann]

Not even a full day later.

- We recently found out, the last day or so, that we have 58,000 known criminals who have crossed our border illegally. Not that there would be any connection, naturally, with this,but it makes the work harder for NYPD, because they're already dealing with the rampant crime uptick from those individuals who broke our first law coming here illegally.
- Yeah, absolutely correct!

This line of 'thinking' is so absurd that it's like an opposite Poe. Reality emulating parody.

 

[shemp]

I'm not a professional assassin, just a keen amateur, but in a situation like this I'd bring two guns. Just in case. Like I always bring two pens with me when I go to the office, in case one runs out of ink.

Your employer doesn't provide you with a pen? Cheap bastards! In the last office I worked in, we had so many pens, we could have run a side business selling pens and the home office would never have noticed!

 

[Donal]

This line of 'thinking' is so absurd that it's like an opposite Poe. Reality emulating parody.

especially since undocumented workers are actually a good source of information for NYPD. They avoid interacting with government agencies typically, but when cops come asking questions, they comply as much as they can. Mainly out of fear of pissing off the cops.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

... So if you don't mind me asking : we hear over here that you pay nearly 40% of your gross income in taxes that fund this. Is that +/- correct? If so, you're paying a lot more for your medical care than we are, although it's certainly a bonus that the poor don't have to jump through hoops.

I'm pretty sure that apples-to-apples we spend a good deal less. That 40% number is likely all govt spending compared to GDP, but of course only a fraction of it goes on healthcare. The NHS spent about 22% of the tax revenue in 2022 and direct taxes (income tax etc) contributed less than half of that. We're a little over OECD average for healthcare spend at 11.3% of GDP while the US is a distinct outlier at 16.6%.

 

[rdwight]

lol what do you mean take a loss. they're making billions of dollars. with a b. they could cut their margins in half and still be making billions of dollars. with a b.

doctors aren't making $50m a year in compensation.

The dollar total is not a problem. When revenue is hundreds of billions, profits will always be in the billions or the company wouldn't exist. UHC seems to run at 6% profit margin. I don't see that as excessive.

we are concerned about profits, buyback, massive CEO compensation and at the same time very low payout rates and terrible customer service.
if you believe AT ALL in markets, providing a bad overpriced product should not make your company and top managers rich.

You can't say compensation is too high and that profits are too high. Utilization rates are up, service prices are up, healthcare provider compensation up, prescription up etc, so plan prices go up and insurance companies take the blame and shield the rest.

margins don't mean anything at that scale. 2.4% on an independently owned sandwich shop is homelessness. in national health insurance it's rich beyond your wildest dreams generational wealth. lol come on man

edit

and do we even want to get into the accounting shell games every single one of these giant companies in every indusry uses to hide their real profits. it's absurd to me to even hear this

Margins are the way to actually judge if they have excess gains. All this blame for insurance companies when their profits amount to 2% of healthcare spending annually. A majority of people surveyed are satisfied with their health insurance. Doesn't seem the monster it's made out as.

 

[plague311]

I've never seen someone simp for healthcare CEOs and profit margins before. It's awesome to see out in the wild and in real-time.

 

[rdwight]

doctors provide an actual service.

All you're doing is explaining why there shouldn't be health insurance companies.

So do insurance companies. It's called insurance. People seemed to have forgotten the premise and think their usage spend should match their coverage costs yearly otherwise they are getting ripped off. It fantastical thinking masquarading as virtue.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The dollar total is not a problem. When revenue is hundreds of billions, profits will always be in the billions or the company wouldn't exist. UHC seems to run at 6% profit margin. I don't see that as excessive.


You can't say compensation is too high and that profits are too high. Utilization rates are up, service prices are up, healthcare provider compensation up, prescription up etc, so plan prices go up and insurance companies take the blame and shield the rest.



Margins are the way to actually judge if they have excess gains. All this blame for insurance companies when their profits amount to 2% of healthcare spending annually. A majority of people surveyed are satisfied with their health insurance. Doesn't seem the monster it's made out as.

you do know what the profit margin is in a perfect market economy, right ?

 

[rdwight]

I've never seen someone simp for healthcare CEOs and profit margins before. It's awesome to see out in the wild and in real-time.

You are simping for anesthesiologists that make 470k a year average and pretend they are underpaid because they can't overcharge for rounding up service times. Then wonder why healthcare spend is so high..

 

[dann]

'My empathy is out of network': internet reacts to health exec's killing with hate (CNN on YouTube, Dec 6, 2024)
In a CNN story that was just published about this, they note that a Facebook post that was put up by UnitedHealth Group, expressing sadness about the CEO's death, it received 62,000 reactions. 57,000 of them were laughing emojis."

They seem to be genuinely surprised.

 

[dirtywick]

they could run at a 1% margin and everyone involved will still make an insane amount of actual dollars, particularly since the larger profit margin comes at a pretty large amount of actual harm being done in the process

 

[dirtywick]

I've never seen someone simp for healthcare CEOs and profit margins before. It's awesome to see out in the wild and in real-time.

unfortunately the argument that excessive ceo pay is a necessary cost of healtcare is a lot worse than it is novel

 

[TragicMonkey]

I've never seen someone simp for healthcare CEOs and profit margins before. It's awesome to see out in the wild and in real-time.

But the tapeworm in your bowels is only stealing 6% of your nutrition, you should welcome its presence.

 

[plague311]

You are simping for anesthesiologists that make 470k a year average and pretend they are underpaid because they can't overcharge for rounding up service times. Then wonder why healthcare spend is so high..

Really? Can you find my post where I did that? Take your time.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Maybe things like this wouldn't happen if they didn't do ◊◊◊◊ like this:

Murdered Insurance CEO Had Deployed an AI to Automatically Deny Benefits for Sick People

A modern remake of The Terminator where Kyle Reese goes back in time to prevent Sarah Connor's claim from being denied.