Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

Pixel42 said:
Sigh.

As things were, and mostly still are: a flasher walks into the women's changing room at a gym, disrobes, goes into the women's shower and exhibits himself to the women and girls whilst ogling their naked bodies. The women raise the alarm, the staff eject the flasher and quite possibly call the police. In practice this hardly ever happens, because flashers don't want to get arrested. That's what puts the 'safe' into 'female safe spaces'.

As things will be, if TRAs get their way: a flasher walks into the women's changing room at a gym, disrobes, goes into the women's shower and exhibits himself to the women and girls whilst ogling their naked bodies.
The women don't bother to raise the alarm, because they know all the flasher has to do is claim to be trans and the staff will be on his side rather than theirs, so this happens a lot more often than it used to. Female rape victims stop going to gyms, because there are no longer any such things as 'female safe spaces'.
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Indeed. There is a fitness centre near my daughter's business. It used to do a roaring trade, and every time I walked past, no matter what time of the day, it was full. Nowdays, its empty almost all day. You'd be lucky to see more then one or two people in there. Frankly, I don't know how they stay in business?
 
Clownfish can change sex.
stanfr said:
So, take this case, and I concede it is rare but I think it is illustrative. You would conclude they are a male, correct?
What do think of the doctors' and family's decision to treat the patient as a woman, since she was assigned female at birth, grew up as a female, and had "lady feelz" to use Rolfe's phrase? If she went into sports, presumably you would ban her from competing against women, correct?
TrueHermaphrodite
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There's no such thing as a true hermaphrodite in human beings. Despite the fact that scientific papers still occasionally misuse the term.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Becuase it's only an even tinier percentage of transsexuals who have attacked women, whereas way more transsexuals have been attacked by men.
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Citation required. The number of cases documented by the "trans crimes" web site is horrifying, and I don't know how they keep up. Attacks on trans-identifying males by other men seem to be extremely few and far between. Unless you're in Brazil.

And no, I don't think women in Britain should be bullied into allowing men into their intimate spaces on account of the fact that transsexual prostitutes in Brazil are often the victims of violence.
 
Pixel42 said:
Once again: genuine transsexuals are not the problem. The problem is the flashers, stalkers and male sexual predators who, if TRAs get their way, will also be able to access female safe spaces whenever they wish.

Once again: women have been quietly accepting transwomen they know and trust into their safe spaces for years. It's the demand that we put up with strange men we neither know nor trust being billeted on us without our consent that some of us are pushing back on.
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Genuine transsexuals. Oh come on.
 
I think that's somewhat begging the question, not least because of the very woolly nature of the criteria defining "gender dysphoria". What certainly doesn't exist is the phenomenon of "a female brain in a male body", which is often what is inferred from the term "genuine transsexual". It seems to me that in the past it was much more likely for an autogynaephile with a compulsive urge to cross-dress, or even have surgery, to try to behave in a way that would gain female sympathy, appear non-threatening, and so expedite his desire to access female-only spaces. Not seeing so much of that these days.

If the AGP contingent had come out 30 years ago with the entitled, demanding, aggressive narcissistic crap we're seeing nowadays, I think the push-back would have shoved them back where they should be rather quickly. It's the boiled frog. Now a full-ass man in a beard can go where the hell he likes, and scared and upset women are too afraid to say anything for fear of being charged with a hate crime. And all because of this mythical "true transsexual".
 
Quick question for the gendercrits here at ISF: What good can it possibly do to legally ban the first transgender member of Congress from women’s rooms on Capitol Hill?
 
Rolfe said:
This is long, but well worth reading on the subject of "gender dysphoria".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808825717204922755
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Can’t read that right now, but I want to bring up the first person I ever met who underwent a “sex change” operation (this is, after all, what we used to call the surgery without much contradiction).

This was a friend of a friend who had always been extremely uncomfortable and shy. Born a woman, it seems they decided at university age, to go through with a sex change to become a man. Or to present as a man, which again seems an uncontroversial way to describe this situation.

I honestly find it hard to believe that their desire to change sex was some kind of kink. It seems instead that they honestly believed they weren’t a woman and wanted to become a man. The term gender dysphoria seems appropriate in this case, which is discomfort at being their own sex.

This was back in the late 90s back when the current trans-rights activism didn’t exist.
 
The reasons why girls and women decide to flee from their sex and take refuge in a simulacrum of manhood are vastly different from what drives men to put on womanhood as a costume. Since the thread is about men, not women, I try not to derail it too much by going into that.

I don't suppose there was a great deal of surgery involved in the case you describe, either.
 
Pixel42 said:
Sigh.

As things were, and mostly still are: a flasher walks into the women's changing room at a gym, disrobes, goes into the women's shower and exhibits himself to the women and girls whilst ogling their naked bodies. The women raise the alarm, the staff eject the flasher and quite possibly call the police. In practice this hardly ever happens, because flashers don't want to get arrested. That's what puts the 'safe' into 'female safe spaces'.

As things will be, if TRAs get their way: a flasher walks into the women's changing room at a gym, disrobes, goes into the women's shower and exhibits himself to the women and girls whilst ogling their naked bodies. The women don't bother to raise the alarm, because they know all the flasher has to do is claim to be trans and the staff will be on his side rather than theirs, so this happens a lot more often than it used to. Female rape victims stop going to gyms, because there are no longer any such things as 'female safe spaces'.
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Thanks for typing that up, sorry to trouble you.

Just wondering what TRAa expect to happen with toilets/change rooms. All unisex?
 
Rolfe said:
The reasons why girls and women decide to flee from their sex and take refuge in a simulacrum of manhood are vastly different from what drives men to put on womanhood as a costume. Since the thread is about men, not women, I try not to derail it too much by going into that.

I don't suppose there was a great deal of surgery involved in the case you describe, either.
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Fine, I have seen some arguments about why that might be in recent times (there are discussions about how things like anorexia have been replaced with gender dysphoria, for example), but as you mentioned the term gender dysphoria, I wanted to point out that I don’t think the concept is without any merit. In more recent times, perhaps we could argue that there is a fashion (or social contagion), but in the case I am talking about this poor guy/girl seemed to be a genuine outlier in a world that didn’t really do trans anything at the time.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Thanks for typing that up, sorry to trouble you.

Just wondering what TRAa expect to happen with toilets/change rooms. All unisex?
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As it happens, I am just returning from a trip to Barcelona (it was very nice thanks!) and I noticed that in at least two major areas (some large restaurant area called El Nationale and the Time Out Market on the Marina) there were toilets that I imagine look something like the Trans Rights Democratic SNP future utopia that we all dream of.

Most of the toilets were lockable cubicles with a shared sink area in the middle.

I get that many people are not comfortable with that, particularly British and Americans, but a lot of Europeans seem to be okay with that. The weirdos! 😝
 
angrysoba said:
As it happens, I am just returning from a trip to Barcelona (it was very nice thanks!) and I noticed that in at least two major areas (some large restaurant area called El Nationale and the Time Out Market on the Marina) there were toilets that I imagine look something like the Trans Rights Democratic SNP future utopia that we all dream of.

Most of the toilets were lockable cubicles with a shared sink area in the middle.

I get that many people are not comfortable with that, particularly British and Americans, but a lot of Europeans seem to be okay with that. The weirdos! 😝
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That seems totally normal! But was that the "Males" toilet or a unisex toilet?

What are toilets like in the UK and US??
 
angrysoba said:
Fine, I have seen some arguments about why that might be in recent times (there are discussions about how things like anorexia have been replaced with gender dysphoria, for example), but as you mentioned the term gender dysphoria, I wanted to point out that I don’t think the concept is without any merit. In more recent times, perhaps we could argue that there is a fashion (or social contagion), but in the case I am talking about this poor guy/girl seemed to be a genuine outlier in a world that didn’t really do trans anything at the time.
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I think the parallel with anorexia nervosa is a good one, and indeed these teenage girls who try to pretend to be boys often include fasting in their regimen to try to look less curvaceous. Nevertheless I think there have always been girls who want to run away from what it means to be an adult female, with all the objectification and life limitations consequent on that. There are cases going way back where women carried off massive deceptions over many years to escape these limitations. For something to become contagious, there has to be something to begin the infection. I wonder how well an "uncomfortable, shy" girl fitted in with the men though.
 
angrysoba said:
As it happens, I am just returning from a trip to Barcelona (it was very nice thanks!) and I noticed that in at least two major areas (some large restaurant area called El Nationale and the Time Out Market on the Marina) there were toilets that I imagine look something like the Trans Rights Democratic SNP future utopia that we all dream of.

Most of the toilets were lockable cubicles with a shared sink area in the middle.

I get that many people are not comfortable with that, particularly British and Americans, but a lot of Europeans seem to be okay with that. The weirdos! 😝
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Who knows. Don't forget, though, that the bathroom remodelling mafia have been around for a while and have succeeded in getting what they want in a number of places. Once that has been done, people tend to try to make the best of it, no matter how uncomfortable it makes them feel.

Ironically, many trans identifying men HATE that arrangement. Their kink is going into women's spaces and revelling in being there, to validate their fetish identity. There's a clip of a new sitcom going around where a trans-identifying man is having a major strop because he has discovered the toilets at work have been converted to unisex, so he can't have the experience he wants. This is well observed.
 
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