So what form does the resistance take?

Good points. As a long time quasi-pacifist, peacemaker, arbitrator, I try to understand the other side, unfortunately some of them truly are bad people. As for the turnout, there were approximately 245 million people eligible to vote. 74 million voted for Trump. I don't think that 30% is as bad as the "over half the county" I keep hearing over and over.
Seen one way it's not so bad, but seen another, I'm not convinced it isn't worse. 30 percent of the total won the day because almost 40 percent of eligible voters don't vote. Sure it would be a good idea to get better candidates and better policies and better arguments, but it will be a hard road until you can convince a reasonable number of those 90 million to give a flying ◊◊◊◊.
 
Looks like federalism is back on the menu, boys!
The correct strategy, if Biden had been serious about protecting the US for Trump and someone like him, would have been to pass laws divest as much federal power as possible to States and Communities: you can abuse power you don't have.
Unfortunately, the number of people who have willingly given up power is very small indeed
 
No, the signing. He wants to be sitting in the Oval Office and photographed with his sharpie. Not other places.
Like I said, he would only do that if there was something in it for him, personally. In this case, "looking presidential" (when in fact he looks like a caged pre-schooler learning to write).
 
The swing voters were an insignificant part of this result. The real issue was low voter turnout--millions less than last time (and no, that was not the result of illegals being purged) If there was any 'swing vote' it was the racist and sexist men who could stomach Biden but despised Harris.
Funny, everything I am reading says otherwise as to swing voters.
You just don't want to admit here is no huge Lost Tribe of Lefty voters out their.
 
Absolutely. But the Dems are not gonna be the resistance, it will be either other a populist that comes out of the Dems or a third party candidate.
Trump certainly wasn't a Republican. They laughed at him when he first ran. He just beat the Dems to the punch in solidifying an anti-establishment base.
At the moment I don't like populism of any flavor.
 
Assuming Trump means that more than just as a joke, I find it unlikely that'll happen. You need either a 2/3 majority of votes in both the House and the senate, or you need a Constitutional convention with 2/3 of the states requesting congress to call a Constitutional convention. It'd likely be the former path to change things, but even with the current senate and house dynamics it doesn't look likely the votes are available to change the 22nd amendment. Even if he succeeded in getting it proposed... it'd still have to be ratified. The 22nd amendment took 4 years to ratify, ecpect a repeal of it to take similarly long.... by the time it needs to even have a chance of being passed, Trump's going to be too old and too far term limited to really care about doing a third term... By that point I think it'd be opening a huge can of worms letting both parties have that option back. So yea... no thanks to that.
The constitution means what the supreme court says it means, nothing more, nothing less.
 
You're free to believe what you want but this isn't a counter-argument to what I've already pointed out.
It does because you don't need to change the constitution, your governance is set up for the supreme court to be... well the word is supreme, they decide what the constitution means. You may assume it means one thing, but if they say it means something else that's the beginning and end of it. In other words, you may think that the 22nd amendment means Trump can't serve a 3rd term but if the SCOTUS majority decision is that "in these circumstances" it doesn't apply to Trump and he can stand for a third term that's it, he can stand for a third term without a single change to even a comma in the text of the amendment.
 
It does because you don't need to change the constitution, your governance is set up for the supreme court to be... well the word is supreme, they decide what the constitution means. You may assume it means one thing, but if they say it means something else that's the beginning and end of it. In other words, you may think that the 22nd amendment means Trump can't serve a 3rd term but if the SCOTUS majority decision is that "in these circumstances" it doesn't apply to Trump and he can stand for a third term that's it, he can stand for a third term without a single change to even a comma in the text of the amendment.
This is again. Not a counterargument supported by the facts. You're speculating on your own interpretation of the separation of powers and not referencing any comparable precedent to support that the SCOTUS is going to simply make Trump president for life the way comparable situations did for Maduro (Venezuela) and Putin (Post-Soviet Russia) - relevant examples of the process your suggesting will happen. They set very clear precedents for how these dictators grab power and cement it, as well as the infrastructure needed for it. I explained how they laid out their respective governments to enable their power grabs and constitutional changes.

If you see something wrong with my citations feel free to point out your objections. But telling me the SCOTUS is going to do it with no evidence to back it up isn't going to cut it.
 
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Trump doesn't even need the Supreme Court on his side to have a third term. Just run as Vice President with whoever the MAGA equivalent of Medvedev is, that guy resigns, third term for Trump.

I don't think it's likely, but then I guess my sense of what Americans will accept needs some recalibration.
 
Trump doesn't even need the Supreme Court on his side to have a third term. Just run as Vice President with whoever the MAGA equivalent of Medvedev is, that guy resigns, third term for Trump.

I don't think it's likely, but then I guess my sense of what Americans will accept needs some recalibration.
I don't think it's conceivable that Trump would be able to play the role of second banana for a while, even to get a third term.
 
This is again. Not a counterargument supported by the facts. You're speculating on your own interpretation of the separation of powers and not referencing any comparable precedent to support that the SCOTUS is going to simply make Trump president for life the way comparable situations did for Maduro (Venezuela) and Putin (Post-Soviet Russia) - relevant examples of the process your suggesting will happen. They set very clear precedents for how these dictators grab power and cement it, as well as the infrastructure needed for it. I explained how they laid out their respective governments to enable their power grabs and constitutional changes.

If you see something wrong with my citations feel free to point out your objections. But telling me the SCOTUS is going to do it with no evidence to back it up isn't going to cut it.
I haven't said they would - I just gave an alternate path to seeking to change the constitution's text for Trump to be able to run again.

(I think it is highly unlikely he will even want to run again nor be in any state to run again.)
 
(I think it is highly unlikely he will even want to run again nor be in any state to run again.)
I don't have any objection to this, or if you were just positing an alternate scenario as a separate discussion point, at least in concept.
 
The Nazis lasted 12 years. I'm not saying do nothing, but given how ineffective the opposition has shown itself to be, I question whether "organizing" is going to help much. With poor messaging it could hurt.

I really like the idea behind "Make America Smart Again," but no one is going to be persuaded by being told they're stupid. Give them a chance to get there on their own ;-). Richard Nixon won by a real landslide in 1972 and was history less than two years later. People had simply had enough of him. I don't know what alchemy turns gold into dross - I just know that it does happen.

"The resistance" may mean doing what you can on an individual level to promote fact-checking and critical thinking. Or really listening when your crazy aunt/uncle/niblingo spouts off at Thanksgiving. It might not work great if you're faking it, but if you're genuinely trying to understand? That can be pretty powerful.

BTW, "less than half the population voted" distorts the image. As far as I can tell 2024 is projected to come close to the record turnout of 2020. You don't use the population as the denominator, but rather, registered voters, or perhaps the adult population, though that is also flawed. In any event, this wasn't a low-turnout election.

Say you have 100 voters. You only have to change the mind of one or two of them to flip the election. Or persuade one or two of them to stay home. Trump's raw popular-vote numbers are about what they were in 2020. Harris' raw popular-vote numbers were down a lot from Biden's. Which doesn't matter that much if the lost Dem votes were in California but matters a LOT if they were in Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc.
I would have liked this but it started with Godwin's Law, otherwise, spot on.

To the OP, what brain drain?
 
God, you Berniebros will simply not let it go, will you?
Bernie is too far to the left to win in the general election. if anything, last Tuesday should underline that.
As demonstrated by the Democratic candidate who turned so right i nthe last month she campaigned with the Cheneys losing. Despite raising a trillion dollars and partying with Beyonce.

Or, as demonstrated by things like marijuana legalization, abortion being enshrined into state constitutions, paid sick leave codified, and the minimum wage being raised in socialist utopias like...Missouri, Alaska, and Nebraska.
 
Funny, everything I am reading says otherwise as to swing voters.
You just don't want to admit here is no huge Lost Tribe of Lefty voters out their.
It's not about the 'lefties' it is about those who felt disenfranchised, left and right. Which is what JD Vance was writing about 8 years ago in his article on why Trump is the opiate of the people. It explains why people voted for both AOC and Trump!
 
Trump doesn't even need the Supreme Court on his side to have a third term. Just run as Vice President with whoever the MAGA equivalent of Medvedev is, that guy resigns, third term for Trump.

I don't think it's likely, but then I guess my sense of what Americans will accept needs some recalibration.
I doubt Dump is going to be in any condition to run for anything come 2028. In fact, I'm surprised he's lasted this long. Also, his influence and appeal was clearly waning even this election. Sure, it might be rejuvenated now that he somehow became POTUS again, but his condition will just keep deteriorating.
 

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