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Merged Artificial Intelligence

DEBUNK AI

There was a radio programme on BBC R4 which was interesting and apt for this forum.

From their site. "They speak with the team behind 'Debunk-bot', an AI chatbot that has shown remarkable success in shifting people’s beliefs around conspiracy theories. They also talk to Mick West, who has spent decades debunking falsehoods, about how AI might help reduce the impact of dangerous conspiracies—and what role humans must play in guiding those who find their way out of conspiracy rabbit holes with the help of a bot."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0023y0j

The site to try it out.

https://www.debunkbot.com
 
www.independent.co.uk

Researchers say an AI-powered transcription tool used in hospitals invents things no one ever said

A popular transcription tool powered by artificial intelligence has a major flaw: It makes things up that were never said
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Essence of story, OpenAI's AI powered transcription tool Whisper can hallucinate, so it can insert text that was not in the audio file. Now obviously a human doing transcriptions will make mistakes I.e. hallucinate but the mistakes made by Whisper appear to be serious mistakes. And we know people for some strange reason have much more confidence in "the computer says".
 
Boy, 14, fell in love with ‘Game of Thrones’ chatbot — then killed himself after AI app told him to ‘come home’ to ‘her’: mom (New York Post)

If you look at the content of the chat and the timing of when he killed himself, it certainly does appear that the chatbot unintentionally provoked him to kill himself. However, I have some questions for the boy's mother, like why did a 14-year-old boy have access to a handgun? The article says that it was his father's gun.

Then, during their final conversation, the teen repeatedly professed his love for the bot, telling the character, “I promise I will come home to you. I love you so much, Dany.”
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Just seconds later, Sewell shot himself with his father’s handgun, according to the lawsuit.
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The lawsuit claims that Sewell’s mental health “quickly and severely declined” only after he downloaded the app in April 2023.

His family alleges he became withdrawn, his grades started to drop and he started getting into trouble at school the more he got sucked into speaking with the chatbot.

The changes in him got so bad that his parents arranged for him to see a therapist in late 2023, which resulted in him being diagnosed with anxiety and disruptive mood disorder, according to the suit.
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They were concerned enough to send him to see a therapist, but apparently they didn't think that allowing him access to a handgun was anything to be concerned about. They're trying to find a scapegoat to blame where there's someone right there in the house whose primary responsibility was to be the child's guardian.
 
Puppycow said:
They were concerned enough to send him to see a therapist, but apparently they didn't think that allowing him access to a handgun was anything to be concerned about. They're trying to find a scapegoat to blame where there's someone right there in the house whose primary responsibility was to be the child's guardian.
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In Florida? Why would they be? Should they have locked away all the knives, plastic bags, cleaning products and coffee too? There are a million ways he could have killed himself just as easily. You're just singling out guns because you hate our freedoms! :xrolleyes
 
Apple Researchers Show AI Bots Can't Think

Indeed, Apple's conclusion matches earlier studies that have found that large language models, or LLMs, don't actually "think" so much as match language patterns in materials they've been fed as part of their "training." When it comes to abstract reasoning — "a key aspect of human intelligence," in the words of Melanie Mitchell, an expert in cognition and intelligence at the Santa Fe Institute — the models fall short.

The Apple researchers set out to answer the question, "Do these models truly understand mathematical concepts?" as one of the lead authors, Mehrdad Farajtabar, put it in a thread on X. Their answer is no. They also pondered whether the shortcomings they identified can be easily fixed, and their answer is also no: "Can scaling data, models, or compute fundamentally solve this?" Farajtabar asked in his thread. "We don't think so!"
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Well, my jobs safe then.

PS: My XenoForge skills are rusty. I don't know how to insert media. First YouTube, now BandCamp.
 
Watching How It's Made, I can't help but think an AI or even a not-so-smart robot would be better at certain mind-numbing, repetitive jobs than humans. Granted, some of those shows are pretty old and the sites may have been updated since then. Also granting that there are some things humans are much better at. But slipping frozen burgers into a package? If it's a very small operation, maybe -- but this one looked like a major factory.
 
Does it really matter that they can't "think"? (And what exactly does it mean to "think"?)

If it can translate Chinese or Russian into grammatically correct and easy to understand English, that's a pretty useful function. If it can pass a test that most humans can't pass without years of higher education and diligent study, does it matter what the internal process is that leads to that output (whether we call it "thinking" or some other word)?
 
I guess it matters if you want to determine who deserves the credit or blame for the things they achieve and the mistakes they make. If they're not thinking the people who programmed them do; if they are thinking, they do.
 
Pixel42 said:
I guess it matters if you want to determine who deserves the credit or blame for the things they achieve and the mistakes they make. If they're not thinking the people who programmed them do; if they are thinking, they do.
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even if they are de facto completely indoctrinated since birth?
When they haven't been exposed to anything but a carefully curated data set that might contain a significant bias?
 
You can ask the same question about people who've been indoctrinated from birth, of course, and end up discussing what constitutes free will. I'm not sure I want to get into those philosophical weeds.
 
As usual, we need definitions of “to think”, and “understand” (including “truly understand”).
 
Solitaire said:
Well, my jobs safe then.

PS: My XenoForge skills are rusty. I don't know how to insert media. First YouTube, now BandCamp.
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Quickly checked with Copilot:
Alright, let’s do the math:

1. **Friday**: 44 kiwis
2. **Saturday**: 58 kiwis
3. **Sunday**: Double Friday’s amount: \( 44 \times 2 = 88 \) kiwis

Now, let's add them up:

- Total: \( 44 + 58 + 88 = 190 \) kiwis

Oliver has **190** kiwis in total. Those five smaller-than-average kiwis don't change the total count.

Got another question, riddle, or topic to dive into?
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ETA: Google Gemini came back with 185.

Did the researchers create a control group of humans to see what percentage of humans get it right?

There still seems to be an unstated assumption in many of these papers that humans would score much higher than the AIs that are being tested, based on the idea that some unspecified percentage of humans would/can do better. If the AIs are doing at least as well as most humans how can we make claims such as in the article?
 
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This idea of human control rate made me think about a round I did at my last quiz night which were riddles. I've just tested co-pilot on it and it solved 100% of the riddles, the best team (teams are up to a maximum of 6 people and there were 12 teams) managed 9 out of 10, the worse 2! I've got the scores on a laptop so I could find out what the average human "correct rate" was but Co-pilot blows them out of the water.

The questions (and answers) for those interested:

Trick or Treat

  • What are the two meals you can never eat for breakfast?
    • Lunch & Dinner
  • What starts with “E” and ends in “E” but only has one letter in it?
    • Envelope
  • Some months have 31 days, some have 30 days, how many have 28 days?
    • 12 - All of them
  • What goes up and down but always remains in the same place?
    • Stairs
  • I am an odd number, take away one letter and I become even – what number am I?
    • 7 – seven
  • Can you name three consecutive days without using Wednesday, Friday and Sunday?
    • Yesterday, today, tomorrow
  • What can you make that no-one not even you can see?
    • Noise
  • What can run but never walks, has a mouth but never talks, has a head but never weeps, has a bed but never sleeps?
    • A river
  • How can you drop a raw egg onto a concrete floor and not crack it?
    • Easy – concrete floors are hard to crack!
  • If you were running a race and overtook the person in 2nd place, what place would you be in now?
    • 2nd!
(ETA: New forum software is much better, I copied the above out of Word and it formatted everything automatically.)
 
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