Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

Full disclosure - I drive a 2015 Fiat Punto, 3 door hatchback. It was all I could afford. Sorry about the humble-bragging :rolleyes:
 
Just so you all know, I don't drive and so don't own a car of any type.

But I HAVE seen nearly every episode of Wheeler Dealers.
 
Last edited:
EHocking said:
...the descriptions Vixen has given of the car she drives, though painstakingly extracted from her, are all characteristics of a petrol engined MHEV.
Click to expand...

We arrived at that guess a while back, but it's still just a guess. The problem with the argument is that if the driver in the Luton fire was driving a mild hybrid, the battery is not big enough to have the effects Vixen wants to believe she sees. Those batteries are generally one order of magnitude smaller than a serial/parallel hybrid and two orders of magnitude smaller than a full electric vehicle.
 
Vixen said:
For goodness sake. If you want to know how I was stalked and how even thinking about it causes massive trauma, you need to start a thread on it, and I dare say, the mods would have to put up a box warning it would strongly trigger anybody even reading it. She-eesh. I have told you what type of car I have. Full stop.
Click to expand...

Not sure of your point in saying this as I haven't seen anyone doubt you were stalked. What I have seen are assertions that divulging the make and model of your car would in no way enable anyone to personally identify you or enable any stalking behaviour, as you drive a normal mass-market vehicle. No one is asking what color it is or what you've got hanging from your rear-view mirror.
 
SteveAitch said:
Just so you all know, I don't drive and so don't own a car of any type.

But I HAVE seen nearly every episode of Wheeler Dealers.
Click to expand...

So you know a lot more about repairing cars and how they work than most people.

I watch Bangers And Cash, a 'fly on the wall' with a classic car auction house just over the Moors from me in Thornton Dale.
They haver a good YouTube channel that has vids of every car and bike they are going to auction each month and do a livestream of the auction.
Like all of them, it's mainly online bidding these days.
 
Vixen said:
For goodness sake. If you want to know how I was stalked and how even thinking about it causes massive trauma, you need to start a thread on it, and I dare say, the mods would have to put up a box warning it would strongly trigger anybody even reading it. She-eesh. I have told you what type of car I have. Full stop.
Click to expand...

No you haven't. That's a lie Vixen.

Point to exactly where you told us.
 
Andy_Ross said:
So you know a lot more about repairing cars and how they work than most people.
Click to expand...

Indeed a lot of people know a lot about cars, including the people who deal with cars in the aftermath of disasters involving them. Investigators found Timothy McVey (the Oklahoma City terrorist bomber) by having only a fragment of the vehicle's drive train, for example.

While it's clear Vixen is going to prolong her tantrum over having to actually support her conspiracy theory with fact while wagging her finger at everyone who's being mean to hear, she has not yet reconciled her "It was still a hybrid all along" claim with the positive and detailed identification of the vehicle's power source by the fire service investigators. Initially they can say it is "believed" to be a diesel vehicle, since at that time all they had was the driver's answers over the phone. Then later they can say they've confirmed the vehicle type after physical examination, which evidently extended to an attempt to determine the ignition source.

The fact remains that you're going to notice an electric motor and a battery if you're examining a car to determine what kind of car it is. Hence the only way Vixen's "I'm still right" ploy works is if the fire service investigators are either incompetent or lying. She doesn't want to be responsible for that inescapable consequence, so she just pretends the facts don't exist.
 
Vixen said:
No, I was talking about BEFORE lithium batteries became trendy as eco-friendly. Surely car manufacturers had some experience of how they worked before marketing them as a special feature and a hyped-up USP...?


Product development and all that. The idea didn't just come out of the blue.
Click to expand...

This is 100% false. There are regulatory requirements for different regions globally and failure to disclose such things would land manufacturers in big trouble. Manufacturers also do not put one-off models on the road due to fear of litigation in case of an accident. I have over 28 years in the auto industry and have dealt with validation of regulatory requirements in vehicles.

For the record, 2024 Buick Envista Aventir. I have owned a Chevrolet Volt hybrid in the past as well.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
No you haven't. That's a lie Vixen.

Point to exactly where you told us.
Click to expand...

More to the point, please Vixen, show us where you told us exactly what car you drive.

1999 BMW blue Z3 2.8 for sunny days.
2006 Merc black SLK 55 AMG daily driver

The wife is on her 3rd hybrid since 2018 all Toyotas, currently 2023 1.5 CHR Hybrid. Each of the 3 hybrids made you damn sure that you knew you were driving a hybrid.
 
Last edited:
Today I am driving our 2010 Fiat Panda 1.2. It is purple. And slow.

And I can reveal the exact model designation, 169AXB1A, but that does not help when I go to the motor factor looking for a cam cover gasket and they offer me three brands which their computer says are correct for my car but all of them are wrong.

Anyway, the relevant bit is that I bought it used and drove it for quite some time before I discovered it had air conditioning. There was no hint on the dash that it had this option fitted but I eventually spotted the telltale pipework while checking the oil. Turns out if you push the fan speed dial instead of turning it, a light comes on to tell you the AC you didn't know you had is running.

The thing is, it doesn't matter what car Vixen drives. The pertinent point is whether a 2014 Range Rover Sport HEV has anything on the dashboard showing clearly that it is a hybrid and not a simple diesel, as this whole digression is about Vixen's suggestion that it was possible for the owner to be unaware.
 
Last edited:
2019 Tesla 3 LR. Black exterior, black leather interior. Really identifying myself here.
 
2014 Toyota Venza, white. 6 cylinder ICE - gas guzzler! Needs new all weather tires, which will be installed on Thursday. Go ahead, stalk me.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Today I am driving our 2010 Fiat Panda 1.2. It is purple. And slow.
Click to expand...

In Italy, I drove a silver Fiat Uno until I got the Audi. I sympathize with the complaints about the performance. It was far easier to be anonymous in the Fiat; the Audi turned some heads.

The thing is, it doesn't matter what car Vixen drives. The pertinent point is whether a 2014 Range Rover Sport HEV has anything on the dashboard showing clearly that it is a hybrid and not a simple diesel, as this whole digression is about Vixen's suggestion that it was possible for the owner to be unaware.
Click to expand...

It would be nice to return to the position where Vixen's desperate suggestion is absurd on its face. That her car allegedly evinces no sign of its being a hybrid is just one of a handful of distractive ploys to try to quench the smell of the absurdity.

To carry your point further, it doesn't matter whether the vehicle dashboard says anything. We aren't beholden to the driver's belief or to some manufacturer's efforts to hide things from the driver. The vehicle itself was inspected by experts. If those experts are not incompetent or lying, their findings are dispositive.

We're doing this only because Vixen insists on some validation for her belief that the smoke and flames she observes and the purported propagation of the fire are still somehow anomalous and that it's still possible for her to have been right. The proposal doesn't provide a better answer for how the fire started or why the car park burned down.
 
Last edited:
Disbelief said:
This is 100% false. There are regulatory requirements for different regions globally and failure to disclose such things would land manufacturers in big trouble. Manufacturers also do not put one-off models on the road due to fear of litigation in case of an accident.
Click to expand...


Can you imagine trying to insure one?
 
I can tell you that the car I WISH I drove is the Nissan Cube, because apparantly I love cars that look stupid in unusual ways. I used to drive a 2nd gen Scion XB instead, cause of the Cube getting unanimously vetoed by the entire family.

I'll admit a Cube would be a lot closer to being a personally identifying vehicle than a Scion XB. I think they only ever sold in the ballpark of 75,000 of them in the US.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom