Is it substantially different from they way all of the Arab nations were carved out after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire? I mean, the Brits basically gave most of the Saudi peninsula to their favored Sheik and both Jordan and Iraq were given to another favored Sheik from the Saudi Peninsula.
Undeniably the general case. All part of a very imperfect era of imposing Western criteria that scarcely obeyed principle except on paper. The substantially different aspects of creating the Jewish state include:
- Exceptionally large immigration numbers in a very short period of time and declaration of independence just one year prior to the Geneva Convention, which would have barred so doing, almost a CT-level coincidence.
- Elimination of the area's other residents from similar consideration by all authorities. Simply dismissed into limbo, left to the miserable fortunes of a stateless people.
Also, how far back to invaders have to be to be considered native?
Generally, the preference should be for contemporaneous inhabitants. As already stated on one of the three threads, Israelis are contemporaneous, so they have rights, more so than anyone with an older claim. The same, of course, applied moments earlier to the hapless Palestinians. Too late now. Therefore, the extension of full political rights to all is the most equitable solution in line with democratic principle.
Once conquered and settled, the deed is done, with caveats. That does not mean this extends an additional right to dispossess others violently, just because it worked once moments before the Geneva bell sounded. The mistake, then, the grave mistake Israelis make, is their
divine right to all of any sort of historical biblical map. They do not have one. Not at all. The ongoing violent takeover should be put down, and hard (Israelis slapped out of the West Bank
with no consideration whatsoever).
The difference is important. Either Israel is a state conformant to international law, or its religious claims are on equal footing with those of ISIS wrt restoring the Caliphate, and sky gods supersede. No good. Same rules must apply to all, no favorites.
I asked Hlaforlaes this question several days ago. So far, he has refused to answer. Tricky questions like that tend to be avoided by the chronically dishonest.
I never refused anything, and you have never shown me to be dishonest. What you
have shown is that I can have my way with you any darn time I like.
