The Tim Walz campaign, and the ******** attacks upon him.

Quotes below from a BBC article:

Walz officially retired from the Minnesota National Guard in May 2005. His unit was alerted about a deployment to Iraq in July, and the unit deployed there in October. Walz filed to run for Congress in January 2005 with paperwork that was certified by the Federal Election Commission the next month.

“When Tim Walz was asked by his country to go to Iraq, do you know what he did? He dropped out of the Army and allowed his unit to go without him — a fact that he’s been criticized for aggressively by a lot of the people that he served with,” Sen. JD Vance, R-Ohio, Trump’s running mate and a Marine veteran who served in Iraq, said Wednesday at a news conference in Michigan.

“I think it’s shameful to prepare your unit to go to Iraq, to make a promise that you’re going to follow through, and then to drop out right before you actually have to go,” Vance added.
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Vance is lying. Period. He's lying about Walz's service in a blatant attempt denigrate him. He's Swiftboating Walz and it's obvious.

Chris LaCivita — who was a consultant to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group that helped sink Kerry’s bid — is a senior adviser to Trump’s campaign and has signaled an eagerness to reopen the playbook on Walz.

“And when his men needed him the most … as they headed into the Crucible that is combat … he deserted them … left them,” LaCivita posted Tuesday on X, shortly after Harris selected Walz to join her on the Democratic ticket. “Why? So he could run for Congress.”
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From Vance's website:

"JD went on to serve our nation in the Iraq War"

His 'service' consisted of 6 months writing stories about Marines and was never in any danger.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Where are the independent records of such an event?
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According to the primary sources who would gave gone through the same process to get conditionally promoted, the evidence is his conditional promotion. Command Sergeant Major is apparently a special rank with special requirements which is what motivates Governor Walz to identify as a retired Command Sergeant Major. Retired Master Sergeant isn't special enough.
 
Scopedog said:
According to the primary sources who would gave gone through the same process to get conditionally promoted, the evidence is his conditional promotion. Command Sergeant Major is apparently a special rank with special requirements which is what motivates Governor Walz to identify as a retired Command Sergeant Major. Retired Master Sergeant isn't special enough.
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What was the date of this promotion, the timeline of his leaving is very clear and has nothing to do with deployments to Iraq other than he was against the war and wanted to speak out about it in his run for congress something he couldn't do while still in uniform.
 
ponderingturtle said:
What was the date of this promotion, ...
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I've seen several reports that say 7 months before retirement so probably October 2004.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/09/assessing-claims-about-walz-service/
Assessment: This is on the line. He did achieve the title he has claimed, for a total of seven months, but it would be more accurate to say he “served as command sergeant major” rather than claim the title outright.
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Scopedog said:
According to the primary sources who would gave gone through the same process to get conditionally promoted, the evidence is his conditional promotion. Command Sergeant Major is apparently a special rank with special requirements which is what motivates Governor Walz to identify as a retired Command Sergeant Major. Retired Master Sergeant isn't special enough.
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According to BIASED and EVEN PAID sources.

Yep, that matters.


As opposed to 24 YEARS serving this nation!

They and You should BE ASHAMED!
 
acbytesla said:
According to BIASED and EVEN PAID sources.
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I thought the sources paid to have the letter published.

ponderingturtle said:
... he was against the war and wanted to speak out about it in his run for congress something he couldn't do while still in uniform.
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What are the rules on this? There have been many reservists in Congress, such as Tulsi Gabbard and Lindsey Graham. Are certain topics really off limits for reserve Congressmembers during election campaigns? I understand it would be difficult to campaign from Iraq, though.
 
Yes. If you have to spend this much time trying to convince the public that this is a scandal, it's not really a scandal.
 
Scopedog said:
He was conditionally promoted, like any job where you need certifications or training to be permanently hired and you sign a statement of certification and agreement acknowledging that you'll be demoted or fired if you fail.


From what I understand, the three primary sources that worked with him said they don't know when or how he requested retirement but he kept going along with deployment discussions, as if he would be around for the inevitable deployment order, then abruptly (to them) retired during May 2005.The earlier he requested retirement the worse it makes him look. Both for accepting the conditional rank (which could have been taken by someone else), possibly already knowing he would violate the terms of his agreement and for going along with the deployment discussions without saying, "by the way, I'm retiring in May". There are very few E9s in the military. An available spot shouldn't be tied up unneccessarily.
I knew a Master Sergeant who had the opportunity to be promoted to Master Gunnery Sergeant (pay grade E9). He declined the opportunity and he told me that since he planned to retire soon, the available spot should go to someone who would actually remain in service with it.
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Regarding the highlighted, Walz was promoted to CSM in early 2004 and "retired from the Minnesota National Guard in May 2005 to run for Congress. He had submitted retirement paperwork five to seven months beforehand. He filed candidacy paperwork in February 2005. So, he made the decision to retire and filed his retirement paperwork between Nov. 2004 and Jan. 2005, several months AFTER his promotion.

In addition, the claim he "went along with the deployment discussions without saying, "by the way, I'm retiring in May" is contradicted by this:

The accusations stem from a Facebook post by a pair of soldiers back in 2018 when Walz first ran for governor.

"They make it sound like it was, it was a surprise," said Master Sgt. Thomas Eustice. "It was not. He had talked about it for a very long time, not only with the higher ups, but with his soldiers."
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ETA: I just found this: “In September 2004, he was conditionally promoted to command sergeant major,” Behrends said then. “After a few weekend Guard drills and being notified we were going to war, he quit in May of 2005. What kind of leader does that?”
 
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Stacyhs said:
Regarding the highlighted, Walz was promoted to CSM in early 2004 and "retired from the Minnesota National Guard in May 2005 to run for Congress. He had submitted retirement paperwork five to seven months beforehand. He filed candidacy paperwork in February 2005. So, he made the decision to retire and filed his retirement paperwork between Nov. 2004 and Jan. 2005, several months AFTER his promotion.
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The unit returned in early 2004. He was promoted after that, probably October 2004, based on sources that say he was Command Sergeant Major for seven months. Re-read the sentence in your article and note the comma.

Stacyhs said:
In addition, the claim he "went along with the deployment discussions without saying, "by the way, I'm retiring in May" is contradicted by this:
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Yes, many soldiers who worked with him have defended him.
 
ponderingturtle said:
That could have been well before he decided to run for congress and as such before he decided to retire.
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Yes. I think the request for retirement should have triggered the demotion clause in his statement of certification and agreement, if such a thing exists, and if he signed such a thing.
 
ponderingturtle said:
That could have been well before he decided to run for congress and as such before he decided to retire.
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I really don't GAF.

The man served our country for 24 years. I'm NEVER EVER going to denigrate ANYONE (over such a minor technicality)1 who has given so much when I have given so little.

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Scopedog said:
The unit returned in early 2004. He was promoted after that, probably October 2004, based on sources that say he was Command Sergeant Major for seven months. Re-read the sentence in your article and note the comma.


Yes, many soldiers who worked with him have defended him.
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He was promoted in September as I ETA'd my comment as soon as I found it.

In 2022, Walz said he decided to retire from the Guard while running for Congress in 2005 and says he filed his paperwork and was honorably discharged two months before his unit was notified they would deploy to Iraq.
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This is nothing but swiftboating by a man who spent his service as a journalist never seeing combat and a man whose daddy got him a fake medical deferment and has called those who died in the service of their country "losers".
 
acbytesla said:
I really don't GAF.

The man served our country for 24 years. I'm NEVER EVER going to denigrate ANYONE who has given so much when I have given so little.
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Got it you refuse to denigrate the general flynn for his criminal acts too I guess.
 
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