The Tim Walz campaign, and the ******** attacks upon him.

So let me understand the argument here, you can't call a general a general until they are a general for 3 years and earn the pension at that level?
 
ponderingturtle said:
So let me understand the argument here, you can't call a general a general until they are a general for 3 years and earn the pension at that level?
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Bit of a downer for any US troops who joined for the hostilities in WWII and ended up with field promotions after D-Day
 
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ponderingturtle said:
So let me understand the argument here, you can't call a general a general until they are a general for 3 years and earn the pension at that level?
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That depends. If that general is a Republican, he is considered a general as soon as he joins the military. If the general is a Democrat, he's stolen that title from a Republican and you can never call him a general.
 
ponderingturtle said:
So let me understand the argument here, you can't call a general a general until they are a general for 3 years and earn the pension at that level?
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No. Most of the time, you can only be promoted after meeting all the requirements of a rank. Some promotions are authorized conditionally (before meeting the requirements), such as Command Sergeant Major, and can be revoked for failure to meet the requirements. The rules for Command Sergeant Major are explained in detail in the paid endorsement letter in the opening post (wikipedia footnote 53) written by two "jerks" who served with Governor Walz (one of which replaced him- Thomas Behrends).
 
Dog,

You keep saying things like "most times." It that like Trump saying "people are saying," when in fact he's pulling it out of his ass?
 
Scopedog said:
No. Most of the time, you can only be promoted after meeting all the requirements of a rank. Some promotions are authorized conditionally (before meeting the requirements), such as Command Sergeant Major, and can be revoked for failure to meet the requirements. The rules for Command Sergeant Major are explained in detail in the paid endorsement letter in the opening post (wikipedia footnote 53) written by two "jerks" who served with Governor Walz (one of which replaced him- Thomas Behrends).
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Do you make pizzas for a living? You're very good at stretching it thin.
 
acbytesla said:
Dog,

You keep saying things like "most times." It that like Trump saying "people are saying," when in fact he's pulling it out of his ass?
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Let's say there's 20 ranks. For 17 of them, you can only be promoted after meeting the requirements. For three of them, you can be promoted before meeting the requirements but it can be revoked for failure to meet the requirements. This applies to at least Warrant Officer and Command Sergeant Major. I briefly explained Warrant Officers in post 186:
https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14382206&postcount=186
 
I can't believe the Walz/Harris campaign is going to fail over this retirement rank issue.

Really. I can't believe it. Let me know when this "issue" impacts the polls.
 
Scopedog said:
No. Most of the time, you can only be promoted after meeting all the requirements of a rank. Some promotions are authorized conditionally (before meeting the requirements), such as Command Sergeant Major, and can be revoked for failure to meet the requirements. The rules for Command Sergeant Major are explained in detail in the paid endorsement letter in the opening post (wikipedia footnote 53) written by two "jerks" who served with Governor Walz (one of which replaced him- Thomas Behrends).
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So he held the rank, but even at the time he held it he didn't really really hold it? Would he have been addressed as Command Sergeant Major or not?

It seems two guys who also got the whole timeline wrong about his retirement as he put in to run for congress in February and put in to retire in March and was out in May and in July they got orders to deploy. I know the concept of linear time is confusing to people.
 
shemp said:
Do you make pizzas for a living? You're very good at stretching it thin.
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Not sure what I'm stretching thin. According to Thomas Behrends, he signed a statement of agreement and certification that he would be reduced to Master Sergeant if he failed to meet the requirements for Command Sergeant Major. Statements of understanding like that are very common in the military. The government is going to give you something and you agree to certain obligations. Bonuses, for example, are often conditioned on completing a certain course of training or school and fulfilling an extended term of service. Whether any of this convinces you or not, I hope some of it is at least educational.
 
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Scopedog said:
Let's say there's 20 ranks. For 17 of them, you can only be promoted after meeting the requirements. For three of them, you can be promoted before meeting the requirements but it can be revoked for failure to meet the requirements. This applies to at least Warrant Officer and Command Sergeant Major. I briefly explained Warrant Officers in post 186:
https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14382206&postcount=186
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No, let's not.

Let's say you actually served your country for more than two decades. I know, according to Trump, anyone who serves this country is a sucker. So even if you did, it doesn't matter.

But let's say you did. (I know, your Vietnam was dodging STDs instead of bullets) But we're discussing hypotheticals. Let's say you spent 24 years of your life. Almost half of the 60 years you have spent on the planet. And then some fat ass Orange convicted felon turd, decided to question your service.

Would you care?
 
Scopedog said:
Not sure what I'm stretching thin. According to Thomas Behrends, he signed a statement of agreement and certification that he would be reduced to Master Sergeant if he failed to meet the requirements for Command Sergeant Major. Statements of understanding like that are very common in the military. The government is going to give you something and you agree to certain obligations. Bonuses, for example, are often conditioned on completing a certain course of training or school and fulfilling an extended term of service. Whether any of this convinces you or not I hope some of it is at least educational.
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Did he have to give back pay when he left? Does his record get changed to show he was never a Command Sergeant Major, or does it show he reverted to Master Sergeant on the day he retired?
 
Ziggurat said:
The question was never if Walz cared. The question is whether voters care. You seem to think they shouldn't. That doesn't mean they won't.

And again, it's not just about his rank.
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What else is it about? Not about the date of his retirement, that was cleared settled before any order to deploy his unit.
 
zooterkin said:
What else is it about? Not about the date of his retirement, that was cleared settled before any order to deploy his unit.
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What he did in service. For example:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...ed-using-weapons-war-campaign-says-rcna166038

There are other examples where Walz was portrayed as a combat veteran or that he deployed to a combat zone. These seem to be mostly press coverage of him rather than direct quotes, so the defense will likely be that it was someone else's mistake. But it does raise the question of why the mistake were made, and why Walz didn't correct those mistakes.
 
Ziggurat said:
The question was never if Walz cared. The question is whether voters care. You seem to think they shouldn't. That doesn't mean they won't.

And again, it's not just about his rank.
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Yes its fighting against the very concept of linear time.
 
acbytesla said:
And then some fat ass Orange convicted felon turd, decided to question your service.
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No, three retired Command Sergeants Major who served with him. Potentially credible primary sources. But why are you so wound up about my on topic posts? At the very least, this should be preparing you for attacks against Governor Walz that may gain greater traction and you can be better prepared to counter-argue. For example, his ambiguous statement about standing on Bagram airfield, which will probably be in the news this week.
 
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