General UK politics VIII - The Last Tory

Starmer seems to be cracking down on the rioting promisng greater police presence.
I really hope a way is found to get the people who apparently planned and provoked the riots.
Farage needs to remember what happened with Oswald Mosley, his hero.
 
dudalb said:
And does British law allow for more then a slap on the wrist for these people?
Ironically enough, just got through reading "King Mob" a book on the Gordon Riots , worse riots in UK History. A lot of simlitaries, just substitute "Catholic" for "Muslim".
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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/11/contents
1Encouragement of terrorism
(1)This section applies to a statement that is likely to be understood by [F1a reasonable person] as a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement [F2, to some or all of the members of the public to whom it is published,] to the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences.
(2)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he publishes a statement to which this section applies or causes another to publish such a statement; and
(b)at the time he publishes it or causes it to be published, he—
(i)intends members of the public to be directly or indirectly encouraged or otherwise induced by the statement to commit, prepare or instigate acts of terrorism or Convention offences; or
(ii)is reckless as to whether members of the public will be directly or indirectly encouraged or otherwise induced by the statement to commit, prepare or instigate such acts or offences.
(3)For the purposes of this section, the statements that are likely to be understood by [F3a reasonable person] as indirectly encouraging the commission or preparation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences include every statement which—
(a)glorifies the commission or preparation (whether in the past, in the future or generally) of such acts or offences; and
(b)is a statement from which F4... members of the public could reasonably be expected to infer that what is being glorified is being glorified as conduct that should be emulated by them in existing circumstances.
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And

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/contents

1Terrorism: interpretation.
(1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—
(a)the action falls within subsection (2),
(b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government [F1or an international governmental organisation] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
(c)the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [F2, racial] or ideological cause.
(2)Action falls within this subsection if it—
(a)involves serious violence against a person,
(b)involves serious damage to property,
(c)endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action,
(d)creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or
(e)is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
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First sentence handed down was 2 months jail to a James Nelson for his part in the Bolton riots on Sunday

Good job he didn't sit in the road and block traffic, he would have got 5 years.
 
The Don said:
Which is why the government is proposing to release low risk prisoners early
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Not quite; those sentenced to less than 4 years for violent offences are included.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/lord-chancellor-sets-out-immediate-action-to-defuse-ticking-prison-time-bomb

This is likely to include most Actual Bodily Harm offences with typical injuries:
damaged teeth or bones
extensive or severe bruising
cuts requiring suturing
loss of consciousness
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https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/offences-against-person-incorporating-charging-standard
 
Darat said:
They are often housed in unsuitable accommodation with the bare minimum of amenities provided i.e. hotels!

People rarely think what it means to be a family living in a one room hotel room, can't do any cooking, mini-fridges at the best to keep anything you buy fresh and cold, most have minimal laundry facilities, no places for kids to play and so on. But they will have a flat screen TV!!

Report: https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/i...nces-of-people-in-hotel-asylum-accommodation/
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Just a follow on about this, I'd forgotten that if put up in a hotel you don't get the thirty odd quid allowance so they couldn't cook, or have anything to store in a fridge!
 
Aber said:
Not quite; those sentenced to less than 4 years for violent offences are included.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/lord-chancellor-sets-out-immediate-action-to-defuse-ticking-prison-time-bomb

This is likely to include most Actual Bodily Harm offences with typical injuries:


https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/offences-against-person-incorporating-charging-standard
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Not understanding your logic, can you explain why this means it won't just be low risk prisoners?


To tag onto your post.

Of course the probation service is itself still trying to cope with it's hasty privatisation and then hasty nationalisation. Another Tory screw up of epic proportion.
 
Andy_Ross said:
First sentence handed down was 2 months jail to a James Nelson for his part in the Bolton riots on Sunday

Good job he didn't sit in the road and block traffic, he would have got 5 years.
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This occurred to me too. Why are the sentences for rioting so much lower than those for Just Stop Oil?
 
From Clarkson's Sun column.

Today, I’m surrounded by farmers and plasterers and brickies and butchers and all I hear, all day long, is that there’s too much immigration,
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At one time they would have been called the salt of the earth
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But if they say this out loud, or if they go on a march, they are told by the London elite that they are far-right extremists or racist thugs.
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Starmer is pissing off millions of Britons by labelling them as modern day Hitlers
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Ian Osborne said:
This occurred to me too. Why are the sentences for rioting so much lower than those for Just Stop Oil?
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The Just Stop Oil sentences may have been a little on the high side, but there have been good reasons given. The amount of planning involved, the number of people affected and the severity of the effect, the history of the participants indicating they were going to continue doing the same sort of thing and worse, and the unwillingness to compromise. That's really a subject for a different thread, though it does somewhat give the lie to the 'two-tier' slur.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Farage says people setting fire to public services and attacking police was nothing compared to what is to come.

Helping calm the situation there

Meanwhile not a peep from the Tories.
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I think saying nothing is pretty sensible. It may be the first sensible thing they've done since 2015.
 
Three years for punching a policeman.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/07/rioter-southport-jailed-far-right

A rioter who punched a police officer in the face during violent unrest in Southport has been jailed for three years, in the longest prison sentence so far over the far-right disorder in England and Northern Ireland.

Derek Drummond, 58, pleaded guilty to violent disorder and assaulting an emergency worker during a riot in the Merseyside town on the day after the killing of three young girls.
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