Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

dirtywick said:
yeah, you've told us that many times now. so what, they're not child sex acts you're claiming are rife on the sites.
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This thread is about more than suggestive child porn.

they didn't actually watch the videos in that study or, i don't believe, any of the evidence you've presented here. as the only guy here willing to say i've actually been on a porn site before, i can comment on my experience. so you can present some evidence towards the actual content if you have any and i'll consider it.
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The UK parliament took submissions from Barnardo's because they weren't to be trusted? Your evidence is superior to theirs?

The statement from Barnardo's:
"Depictions of sexual activity which may relate to children are extremely prevalent online. In 2019, 39 billion searches were made on Pornhub, with one of the most frequent search terms being ‘teen’."

What does '...while wrestling a child sex video' mean?
 
Poem said:
This thread is about more than suggestive child porn.
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i understand that. it's getting tedious having to remind you that i was responding to a specific claim


The UK parliament took submissions from Barnardo's because they weren't to be trusted? Your evidence is superior to theirs?

The statement from Barnardo's:
"Depictions of sexual activity which may relate to children are extremely prevalent online. In 2019, 39 billion searches were made on Pornhub, with one of the most frequent search terms being ‘teen’."
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i didn't say they couldn't be trusted, i said much of what they're concerned about is clickbait titles. also, teen is a category featuring young adult women.

What does '...while wrestling a child sex video' mean?
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i think it was a formatting thing from before your edit when i quoted your post
 
dirtywick said:
i didn't say they couldn't be trusted, i said much of what they're concerned about is clickbait titles. also, teen is a category featuring young adult women.
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A young adult woman posing as a teenager is illegal porn under UK law. It's possible that you have become normalized to it.

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Darat said:
As I stated it is illegal right now in the UK, the prison sentence is up to 10 years if you are found to possess or view such material. What is illegal on DVD and blu-ray is illegal on line, in the UK. People are caught, prosecuted and when found guilty in a court sentenced for up to 10 years in prison, there may also be lifelong punishments.
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i think it was a formatting thing from before your edit when i quoted your post
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It wasn't a quote from my post and I still don't know what it means.
 
they’re not posing as teenagers. the category is called teen, and it describes porn featuring young adults.
 
That word "culture" in constant use here in the thread needs some defining. The least ambiguous meaning would, I think, be anthropologist E. B. Tylor's: "that complex whole which includes knowledge, belief, art, morals, law, custom and any other capabilities and habits acquired by man as a member of society."

If you use that definition, then of course you'll always be able to find "rape cultures," since the deed occurs wherever there are humans -- if you choose to see sexual violence and nothing else.

And boy howdy, that's what prudes, New or Old, always and exclusively do, because to their sex-saturated minds it's all A Bad Thing.

And they always try to pass and enforce laws against their fetishized Bad Thing. Anthony Comstock comes to mind. He managed to engineer laws against (ew!) Sex that dirty the waters to this day. I think most of us will agree that he did a lot of evil.

And I will call today's comstockers, and anybody else who threatens my freedom of speech, a bunch of evil bastards.
 
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dirtywick said:
they’re not posing as teenagers. the category is called teen, and it describes porn featuring young adults.
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I think rather than "featuring young adults," it describes more of an early 20s appearance/body shape. The term "young adult" has a similar connotation to "teen," which I don't think is quite accurate.
 
dirtywick said:
and even at that, most of all of it is just the porn equivalent of clickbait. is a dude in his early 40s and a woman in her mid twenties pretending to be step siblings getting a little carried away while wrestling a child sex video? no, but that's what's being counted here.
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I think the intent of most of the titles is to create the impression of a "taboo" scenario where people are doing something they aren't supposed to be doing. Because that's more exciting, I guess. (Or at least interesting enough to get clicks.)
 
TomB said:
I think rather than "featuring young adults," it describes more of an early 20s appearance/body shape. The term "young adult" has a similar connotation to "teen," which I don't think is quite accurate.
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that's fair, it's like young adult women. the implication bringing it up as sexualizing children is that the category is depicting children. it's just not true.
 
TomB said:
I think the intent of most of the titles is to create the impression of a "taboo" scenario where people are doing something they aren't supposed to be doing. Because that's more exciting, I guess. (Or at least interesting enough to get clicks.)
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yeah, i agree. it's the same thing as clickbait to me, just salaciously titled stuff to draw attention to the video of what is then usually professionally produced scenes with what are clearly adults. it's not a bunch of rape and child abuse videos. nobody is normalized to it because it's not what's on the sites.
 
And now it appears that Francis Coppola was caught onfilm harassing a women onthe set of "Megalapolis".
Very sad about this. I think Coppola is a great, great, filmaker but if he is guilty of sexual harassment I have no sympathy for him. Roman Polanski 2 as far as I am concerned.
 
theprestige said:
One, that's an absurd non sequitur.
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It was a bit...but it's still a valid point.

Two, everything needs to be questioned.
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Indeed.

Three, if you question the allegations of sexual abuse in American public schools, you'll find that it is supported by good research. It's not just empty claims.
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I think that is right...I did some research into it.

Four, a title of nobility doesn't impress me at all. Get out of here with this "dame" nonsense.
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I wasn't trying to impress anyone with nobility. Forget the 'Dame' part if you wish - her assertion still stands.

Five, you're not even questioning what I cited. In fact you just grabbed it and ran straight into another thread, waving it around like proof positive of whatever you're trying to claim there.
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Hmmm. i think you have got confused TP...where did I do that? I did look into it as stated above.

Six, you have yet to address my own issues with your claims of decriminalized rape in the UK. So maybe you deal with that first, before complaining about me not addressing questions you haven't actually raised.
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'Effectively decriminalized' is the phrase Vera Baird used...not 'decriminalized'.
 
TomB said:
I think the intent of most of the titles is to create the impression of a "taboo" scenario where people are doing something they aren't supposed to be doing. Because that's more exciting, I guess. (Or at least interesting enough to get clicks.)
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It's also not a stretch to assume that there is a continuum of material from only slightly teen-like to very teen-like. We know there is a tendency for consumers to escalate as desensitization kicks in. Here's a flavour of the laissez faire culture at MidnGeek (now Aylo) - Dillon Rice, their senior scriptwriter, filmed undercover by Sound Investigations (have posted this before):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O528O4cKp8k
 
Poem said:
What does '...while wrestling a child sex video' mean?
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dirtywick said:
is a dude in his early 40s and a woman in her mid twenties pretending to be step siblings getting a little carried away while wrestling a child sex video? no, but that's what's being counted here.
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Rephrase:

Is (an adult man and woman pretending to be step siblings, with plot 'friendly wrestling got hot and heavy') a child sex video? (no but that is content that the bad bad search terms will get you)
 
Case Study from Barnardo’s

There are also children who view pornography to try to understand their own sexual abuse. Unfortunately, what these children find is content that normalises the most abhorrent and illegal behaviours. This includes 15-year-old Elizabeth* who has been sexually abused by a much older relative for a number of years. The content she found on pornography sites depicted older relatives having sex with young girls and the girls enjoying it. It wasn’t until she disclosed her abuse that she realised that it was not normal. And 16-year-old Carrie*, who was being sexually abused by her stepfather, which she thought was not unusual due to the significant amount of content she had seen on pornography sites showing
sexual relationships within stepfamilies.

*Please note all names have been changed.
 
If you're saying it's a problem that kids with questions are more likely to find porn than to access any relevant sex education material, I'm fully on board. I think we are looking in pretty different directions as far as adressing the problem, though.
 
Lithrael said:
If you're saying it's a problem that kids with questions are more likely to find porn than to access any relevant sex education material, I'm fully on board.
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Not sure children will necessarily be safe with the education material. I mentioned earlier the sex education book 'Let’s Talk About It' which describes porn as a, 'fun sugary treat!'

What a stark contrast with the UK's attempt through the Online Safety Bill to prevent children being 'severely harmed' by it.

I think we are looking in pretty different directions as far as addressing the problem, though.
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What do you suggest?
 
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