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Merged How Close is power from Nuclear Fusion

If I understand these tokamak experiments correctly, they're about using brute magnetic force and computing power to control a chaotic mass of plasma. That is to say, less like the oft-invoked "magnetic bottle" metaphor of a magnetic field just quietly containing all the plasma, and more like a bunch of magnetic Pong paddles frantically maneuvering to shove wayward streams of plasma back into place.

If that's so, then once the design and coding of the system reaches a certain threshold of adequacy for that task, we might very well be seeing rapidly increasing containment times.

What comes after that? Do they need to further pinch (compress) bits of the plasma to make enough fusion happen? Or step up to even higher temperatures? Or use different H isotopes? Or is there enough fusion happening already, and the additional heating from that is one of the limits on containment time? (In which case, it appears there's no way yet to remove the generated heat from the chamber or make use of it.)

The road to (useful) power from nuclear fusion is a two step process.

1. Create a sustainable reaction (one that doesn't just last for a few second and then requires a six day reboot) and
2. Find some way of transforming the power so generated into something useful (like electricity).

Neither one of these is apparently an easy problem to solve. :(
 
I the meantime - Cold Fusion is not dead yet!

Cold fusion is making a scientific comeback

A US agency is funding low-energy nuclear reactions to the tune of $10 million.

Earlier this year, ARPA-E, a US government agency dedicated to funding advanced energy research, announced a handful of grants for a field it calls “low-energy nuclear reactions,” or LENR. Most scientists likely didn’t take notice of the news. But, for a small group of them, the announcement marked vindication for their specialty: cold fusion.
With all the money being spent on the hot kind, I guess a few bucks on something this cool are not inappropriate. ;)
 
The navy could put them all on tread mills?


Or are you talking about the bombs and not the folks that run power plants?

Project Orion is a nice way to get power out of nuclear weapons. Specifically to turn their explosive energy into propulsion and the kinetic energy of the spacecraft. I'm not sure you could actually use the existing arsenal for the purpose though, as they were meant to use a specific type of bomb that would explode in a sort of cigar shape rather than a spherical explosion. The original plan was also to use small fission bombs (like a few kilotons), rather the much larger fusion weapons, but there was a plan to scale the design to use fusion bombs as well.

As to power on earth, it's completely insane, but potentially if you go big enough you could use fusion bombs as the energy source for a power plant. You just have to go really big.
 
No, the present stock of nuclear weapons is not suitable for power generation. For a start, I believe that the type of plutonium in a fission bomb is quite different from nuclear fuel and can't be used in the same way.
 
No, the present stock of nuclear weapons is not suitable for power generation. For a start, I believe that the type of plutonium in a fission bomb is quite different from nuclear fuel and can't be used in the same way.

Weapons use plutonium + hydrogen, neither of which is used in nuclear power stations.
 
No, the present stock of nuclear weapons is not suitable for power generation. For a start, I believe that the type of plutonium in a fission bomb is quite different from nuclear fuel and can't be used in the same way.

I'm mostly joking, but I'm talking about the idea of actually exploding the bombs, say to heat a giant reservoir of water to power a giant steam engine. Yes, as I said its an insane idea.
 
I'm mostly joking, but I'm talking about the idea of actually exploding the bombs, say to heat a giant reservoir of water to power a giant steam engine. Yes, as I said its an insane idea.

To get this to work you would need
1. A giant container with a mixture of gas and a liquid (maybe a salt or water?).
2. Something that will pump the liquid out to heat water, converting it to steam.
3. The steam will then generate electricity in the normal way.

The container would need to be several kilometers or more (depending on the size of the bomb) in diameter. This size will be needed to contain the explosion. The gas would help absorb the pressure of the explosion.

I would suggest that once everything had cooled down what would be left would be a lot of radioactive materials.
 
SURPRISE!

We’ll Have to Wait a Bit Longer for the World’s Biggest Fusion Reactor

By "Bit Longer" they mean "at least another generation."

Earlier this morning, the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) Organization announced what has long been known: The largest tokamak in the world will be delayed further, prolonging the awaited nuclear fusion machine’s operations by at least a decade.

The project’s previous baseline—its timeframe and the benchmarks within it—was established in 2016. The global pandemic that started in 2020 interrupted much of ITER’s ongoing operations, delaying matters further.

As reported by Scientific American, ITER’s cost is four times initial estimates, with the most recent numbers putting the project at over $22 billion. Speaking at a press conference earlier today, Pietro Barabaschi, ITER’s director general, explained the cause of the delays and the updated project baseline for the experiment.

“Since October 2020, it has been made clear, publicly and to our stakeholders, that First Plasma in 2025 was no longer achievable,” Barabaschi said. “The new baseline has been redesigned to prioritize the Start of Research Operations.”

Barabaschi said that the new baseline will mitigate operational risks and prepare the device for operations using deuterium-tritium, one type of fusion reaction. Instead of a first plasma in 2025 as a “brief, low-energy machine test,” he said, more time will be dedicated to commissioning the experiment and it will be given more external heating capacity. Full magnetic energy is pushed back three years, from 2033 to 2036. Deuterium-deuterium fusion operations will remain on schedule for roughly 2035, while the start of deuterium-tritium operations will be delayed four years, from 2035 to 2039.

But the good news is that when we get to 2039, we'll still only be 20-50 years away from commercial production! That should be just in time to help the survivors of global warming who are huddled at the poles or in deep repurposed mines!
 
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As a young man i was fairly sure we would have commercial fusion power in my lifetime. Now I am quite sure we will not.
 
Also answers the question I had in #331: Yes, it will almost certainly require deuterium and tritium to run, not just just plain old protons (regular hydrogen), which means it ain't gonna be cheap.

At least it will not require Unobtainium. The ship to Pandora has not been built yet. :(
 

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