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General UK politics VII -Return of the Starmer

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Carrot Flower King said:
Bit like the flyer Tory Girl Trevelyan's minion delivered here: "Conservative" only used twice, both in small print and one was the obligatory "who this is from" bit at the bottom. No picture of Sunak.

I note also that said minion scampered around shoving these in letter boxes and didn't call on anyone.
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Flyer posters usually aren't door knockers. I did some posting for Labour a couple.of years back & there was no expectation that I knew a word of policy or even the local candidate's name.The intention is to get the literature out there not stop & discuss it.
 
Not had a single piece of paper yet, from any party. Now seen two Labour signs and 4 Libdem signs, absolutely unthinkable around here at previous elections.
 
Darat said:
Not had a single piece of paper yet, from any party. Now seen two Labour signs and 4 Libdem signs, absolutely unthinkable around here at previous elections.
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We've had literature from the Tories & Lib Dems & I've seen maybe half a dozen Lib Dem signs. Labour may (I hope) be deliberately keeping a low profile as this has been a Tory safe seat forever (we were even threatened with the possibility of Johnson chicken running back here before he threw his toys out the pram), but the Lib Dems might just do it this time.
 
Filippo Lippi said:
The still is unrepresentative. Run the video and she seems quite effusive. I would be a bit more stand-offish if I met her, a handshake would be more than sufficient, but Sunak is courting the far-right at home, so why not do so abroad?
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Having now watched it, I totally agree.
 
Reform UK have overtaken the Conservatives in the latest YouGov poll for the Times

Lab: 37% (-1)
Reform: 19% (+2)
Con: 18% (nc)
Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
Green: 7 (-1)
SNP: 3 (+1)
Plaid: 1 (nc)
Other: 2 (+1)
 
Andy_Ross said:
Reform UK have overtaken the Conservatives in the latest YouGov poll for the Times

Lab: 37% (-1)
Reform: 19% (+2)
Con: 18% (nc)
Lib Dem: 14% (-1)
Green: 7 (-1)
SNP: 3 (+1)
Plaid: 1 (nc)
Other: 2 (+1)
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Yes, but we haven't seen what Sunak is going to do to shift the polls in the next 3 weeks.

Because, face it, if I told you, even a month ago that even Sunak would snub the D-Day commemorations in order to tell the nation that he went without as a kid because he didn't get SkyTV, I'd have said it was an amusing but implausible spoof.
 
3point14 said:
By moving to the right.




I disagree. He wasn't an acceptable leader. It's not the same thing. I think it' worth examining why that's the case.
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God, Corbyn blew elections that Labor should have won.
I got news for you, a leader has to be acceptable to have a chance in hell of winning.
You seem to be unwilling to admit that somebody on the left can be an incompetent.
 
I have heard a few jokes about Sunak being India's revenge for British Imperialism....

As a Yank how seriously should I take the polls with the Reform Party overtaking the Tories from a practical "how many seats in Parliament" will they win view point?
Could Reform actually gain a lot of seats, or is this just kind of a protest vote thing?
I would hate to think the Oswald Mosley 2.0 could actually become a power. Not that we American don't have out won demogogue problems...
 
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dudalb said:
I have heard a few jokes about Sunak being India's revenge for British Imperialism....

As a Yank how seriously should I take the polls with the Reform Party overtaking the Tories from a practical "how many seats in Parliament" will they win view point?
Could Reform actually gain a lot of seats, or is this just kind of a protest vote thing?
I would hate to think the Oswald Mosley 2.0 could actually become a power. Not that we American don't have out won demogogue problems...
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How votes translate into seats in our first-past-the-post system depends a lot on how that vote is distributed. The Lib Dems do better than other small parties because their voters tend to be concentrated in specific areas, mostly where Labour voters are thin on the ground.

Projections I've seen are that, on their current polling, Reform would not win more than about 5 actual seats. 20% seems to be the magic figure for any party whose voters are fairly evenly distributed across the country for the number of seats won to start reflecting the percentage of votes won.
 
Cameron called the Brexit referendum because he thought UKIP might be a threat to the Tory party.

How's that going for him?
 
Andy_Ross said:
Cameron called the Brexit referendum because he thought UKIP might be a threat to the Tory party.

How's that going for him?
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Pretty well as it goes. It bought the Tories another 8 years in power and him a peerage, scads of cash from various sources, and another of the great offices of state.
 
dudalb said:
God, Corbyn blew elections that Labor should have won.
I got news for you, a leader has to be acceptable to have a chance in hell of winning
You seem to be unwilling to admit that somebody on the left can be an incompetent.
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As opposed to the string of totally competent politicians and statesmen that have led the Tory party since then, you mean?

If by "competent" you mean "Acceptable to the billionaire owners of the right wing media", then yes.
 
Nigel says

"Rishi Sunak and Sir Keir Starmer are taking part in a BBC debate on 26th June.

As we are now ahead of the Conservatives in the polls, I demand that Reform UK is a part of this debate.

If the BBC want a fight with me on this, they can have one."
 
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