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Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

Vixen said:
I put in a Freedom of Information request to Beds Fire and Rescue Service asking for make, model and year of the initial vehicle involved in the fire. I had this reply by return:



I have now followed it up with another FOI request as advised above. No reply by return this time. So I wonder if the guys in the office actually even know what the exact vehicle was or whether the information is as a matter of fact 'confidential', i.e., withheld, as I said. I will let you know when I get a response to my further request.
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From what they say there, it looks as if they didn't treat it as an actual FOI request. What was the exact form of your initial request?
 
Vixen said:
I put in a Freedom of Information request to Beds Fire and Rescue Service asking for make, model and year of the initial vehicle involved in the fire. I had this reply by return:



I have now followed it up with another FOI request as advised above. No reply by return this time. So I wonder if the guys in the office actually even know what the exact vehicle was or whether the information is as a matter of fact 'confidential', i.e., withheld, as I said. I will let you know when I get a response to my further request.
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It's on the website. It took me less than a minute to find it. Their news page says it was a diesel. They obviously know that it's a diesel since they put that bit of information on their web page. They probably aren't going to give you the license plate number. You're slandering people when you obviously know the truth. Why is that okay?
 
Mojo said:
From what they say there, it looks as if they didn't treat it as an actual FOI request. What was the exact form of your initial request?
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I suspect the people who got the request told her the information she wanted was on the news page. Clearly she doesn't need to do a request since the Fire Brigade already published the information she wanted. Does she imagine that the reply to the request will be different than what's already been published?
 
Craig4 said:
I suspect the people who got the request told her the information she wanted was on the news page. Clearly she doesn't need to do a request since the Fire Brigade already published the information she wanted. Does she imagine that the reply to the request will be different than what's already been published?
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Why, yes. Yes she does.
 
From the responses to FOI requests:

Luton airport car park fire

Description

Please could you tell me if the fire at Luton airport multi-storey car park was started by an electric vehicle

Resolution

Following the fire at London Luton Airport terminal car park 2 on the 10 October 2023, a multi-agency investigation is currently being conducted. At this time, we can confirm the vehicle involved was a diesel-powered vehicle. To further clarify it was neither a fully electric vehicle (EV), a mild hybrid electric vehicle (MHEV) nor a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV). More information on the incident and cause of the fire will be released once the investigation has been concluded.
 
And they're not going to reveal the make and model until after the investigation is concluded:

Description

Hi, could you please let me know what the make, model and year of manufacture was that started the Luton fire. After nearly three months I still can find no information on the vehicle. This makes me think of information suppression so as not to damage electric vehicle sales or the governments net zero ambissions.

Resolution

Thank you for your request in your email dated 8 January 2024 requesting the make, model and year of manufacture of the vehicle involved in the fire at London Luton Airport terminal car park 2 on the 10 October 2023.

As stated in our press releases, we can confirm the vehicle involved was a diesel-powered vehicle. To further clarify it was neither a fully electric vehicle (EV), a mild hybrid electric vehicle (MHEV) nor a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV). More information on the incident and cause of the fire will be released once the investigation has been concluded.

We can confirm that Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Authority (BFRA) holds this information i.e. the specific brand, model and year of the vehicle involved. This information is exempt under section 31 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 concerning disclosure which would, or would be likely to, prejudice the exercise by any public authority of its functions for any of the purposes specified in subsection 31 (2), namely the following:

(a) the purpose of ascertaining whether any person has failed to comply with the law,

(c) the purpose of ascertaining whether circumstances which would justify regulatory action in pursuance of any enactment exist or may arise,

(i) the purpose of securing the health, safety and welfare of persons at work, and

(j) the purpose of protecting persons other than persons at work against risk to health or safety arising out of or in connection with actions of persons at work.

Having considered the public interest, the decision is to withhold the information. This is because although there is a general public interest in transparency of data held by a public body there is a multi-agency investigation currently on-going and it would not be appropriate to disclose the information until all lines of enquiries by all of the agencies have been closed.

The agencies involved aside from BFRA include the Health and Safety Executive, London Luton Airport and Bedfordshire Police. We are not yet aware that BFRA has been informed by these other authorities whether all lines of enquiry in their respective investigations have been closed.

There is strong public interest in allowing all of the investigations to run their course which at this moment in time outweighs the public interest in transparency.
 
novaphile said:
And they're not going to reveal the make and model until after the investigation is concluded:

Description

Hi, could you please let me know what the make, model and year of manufacture was that started the Luton fire. After nearly three months I still can find no information on the vehicle. This makes me think of information suppression so as not to damage electric vehicle sales or the governments net zero ambissions.

Resolution

Thank you for your request in your email dated 8 January 2024 requesting the make, model and year of manufacture of the vehicle involved in the fire at London Luton Airport terminal car park 2 on the 10 October 2023.

As stated in our press releases, we can confirm the vehicle involved was a diesel-powered vehicle. To further clarify it was neither a fully electric vehicle (EV), a mild hybrid electric vehicle (MHEV) nor a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV). More information on the incident and cause of the fire will be released once the investigation has been concluded.

We can confirm that Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Authority (BFRA) holds this information i.e. the specific brand, model and year of the vehicle involved. This information is exempt under section 31 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 concerning disclosure which would, or would be likely to, prejudice the exercise by any public authority of its functions for any of the purposes specified in subsection 31 (2), namely the following:

(a) the purpose of ascertaining whether any person has failed to comply with the law,

(c) the purpose of ascertaining whether circumstances which would justify regulatory action in pursuance of any enactment exist or may arise,

(i) the purpose of securing the health, safety and welfare of persons at work, and

(j) the purpose of protecting persons other than persons at work against risk to health or safety arising out of or in connection with actions of persons at work.

Having considered the public interest, the decision is to withhold the information. This is because although there is a general public interest in transparency of data held by a public body there is a multi-agency investigation currently on-going and it would not be appropriate to disclose the information until all lines of enquiries by all of the agencies have been closed.

The agencies involved aside from BFRA include the Health and Safety Executive, London Luton Airport and Bedfordshire Police. We are not yet aware that BFRA has been informed by these other authorities whether all lines of enquiry in their respective investigations have been closed.

There is strong public interest in allowing all of the investigations to run their course which at this moment in time outweighs the public interest in transparency.
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I looked at a few of them, but didn't spot that one.
 
novaphile said:
And they're not going to reveal the make and model until after the investigation is concluded:

Description

Hi, could you please let me know what the make, model and year of manufacture was that started the Luton fire. After nearly three months I still can find no information on the vehicle. This makes me think of information suppression so as not to damage electric vehicle sales or the governments net zero ambissions.

Resolution

Thank you for your request in your email dated 8 January 2024 requesting the make, model and year of manufacture of the vehicle involved in the fire at London Luton Airport terminal car park 2 on the 10 October 2023.

As stated in our press releases, we can confirm the vehicle involved was a diesel-powered vehicle. To further clarify it was neither a fully electric vehicle (EV), a mild hybrid electric vehicle (MHEV) nor a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV). More information on the incident and cause of the fire will be released once the investigation has been concluded.

We can confirm that Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Authority (BFRA) holds this information i.e. the specific brand, model and year of the vehicle involved. This information is exempt under section 31 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 concerning disclosure which would, or would be likely to, prejudice the exercise by any public authority of its functions for any of the purposes specified in subsection 31 (2), namely the following:

(a) the purpose of ascertaining whether any person has failed to comply with the law,

(c) the purpose of ascertaining whether circumstances which would justify regulatory action in pursuance of any enactment exist or may arise,

(i) the purpose of securing the health, safety and welfare of persons at work, and

(j) the purpose of protecting persons other than persons at work against risk to health or safety arising out of or in connection with actions of persons at work.

Having considered the public interest, the decision is to withhold the information. This is because although there is a general public interest in transparency of data held by a public body there is a multi-agency investigation currently on-going and it would not be appropriate to disclose the information until all lines of enquiries by all of the agencies have been closed.

The agencies involved aside from BFRA include the Health and Safety Executive, London Luton Airport and Bedfordshire Police. We are not yet aware that BFRA has been informed by these other authorities whether all lines of enquiry in their respective investigations have been closed.

There is strong public interest in allowing all of the investigations to run their course which at this moment in time outweighs the public interest in transparency.
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Well how could it be any clearer that there is a massive conspiracy across multiple public agencies to conceal the info in order to protect the interests of high ranking politicians.... and their wives.
 
Steve said:
Well how could it be any clearer that there is a massive conspiracy across multiple public agencies to conceal the info in order to protect the interests of high ranking politicians.... and their wives.
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I will agree that the UK has some highly rank politicians.

:)
 
Steve said:
Well how could it be any clearer that there is a massive conspiracy across multiple public agencies to conceal the info in order to protect the interests of high ranking politicians.... and their wives.
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And to make certain that no popular products of Tata Motors are blamed for the incident.
 
I just saw that Ford has recalled a little over 8,000 2024 Mustangs due to an improperly secured hydraulic clutch line that can contact the exhaust manifold, causing it to leak and spray flammable hydraulic fluid inside the engine compartment.

Kia has also recently recalled nearly half a million 2020 - 2024 Telluride SUVs due to a faulty power seat switch that can cause the power seat motor to overheat and start a fire. They have warned owners to park these vehicles outside until the switch can be replaced.

Just more evidence of the many ways that car fires can be started.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I just saw that Ford has recalled a little over 8,000 2024 Mustangs due to an improperly secured hydraulic clutch line that can contact the exhaust manifold, causing it to leak and spray flammable hydraulic fluid inside the engine compartment.
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A difficult design problem in high-density packaging that includes hydraulic or pneumatic lines. That tubing jumps around under varying load. It's not always obvious where along its path it should be secured, and how.

Just more evidence of the many ways that car fires can be started.
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Back when Ford was having problems with its ignition and battery harness wiring, the riff on their slogan went, "At Ford, quality is Job 1; putting out the fire is Job 2."
 
It was an alien spacecraft.
They don't tell you make, model, tag, s/n because they can't read alien script.

And every official pronouncement, every news report that withholds the photos of that alien spacecraft script reconfirms what must be crying out loudly to all y'all's senses if you allowed your natural skepticism to come through:
IT WAS AN ALIEN SPACESHIP.

I mean get real: How often has Sunak's wife talked about alien spaceships in connection with the Luton Airport Car Park Fire? Huh? Yes, that's right: NEVER! Could it be any more suspicious than this that they are totally covering up the danger that alien spaceships post to the British traffic infrastructure?!?
 
Oystein said:
It was an alien spacecraft.
They don't tell you make, model, tag, s/n because they can't read alien script.

And every official pronouncement, every news report that withholds the photos of that alien spacecraft script reconfirms what must be crying out loudly to all y'all's senses if you allowed your natural skepticism to come through:
IT WAS AN ALIEN SPACESHIP.

I mean get real: How often has Sunak's wife talked about alien spaceships in connection with the Luton Airport Car Park Fire? Huh? Yes, that's right: NEVER! Could it be any more suspicious than this that they are totally covering up the danger that alien spaceships post to the British traffic infrastructure?!?
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No!!!
It was clearly a time machine. A car from the past or future adapted with a Sinclair Field Generator. Obviously the power supply overheated and caused the fire.
This clearly explains everything.

And it's the basis for a good scenario for the Misfit Mob.
 
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