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Cont: Criminal Charges/convictions Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part IV

newyorkguy said:
RNC co-chair lara trump was asked yesterday morning, by CNN's State of the Union host Casie Hunt, if the Republican Party would continue to support former Maryland Governor Larry Hogan's run for the U.S. Senate. This was because of a post Hogan made on X before the Hush Money verdict was announced

(Twitter post by Hogan calling on people to respect the verdict)

lara trump said:
He doesn't deserve the respect of anyone in the Republican Party at this point, and quite frankly, anybody in America. We, of course, we want to win as a party," Lara Trump said. "But that is a shame and I think he should have thought long and hard before he said that publicly."

Hogan failed to toe the party line! :(
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Hogan is another tragedy of the SS Titanic disaster that is Trump.

He is running in a state that Biden won easily in the 2020 election, so he's already an underdog of sorts. If he wins, it will likely be because of his personal popularity and name recognition, and his republican association is likely a detriment.

If he speaks out in favor of Trump, he will lose the support of moderates/swing voters. (Those that say "I didn't like Trump but I can respect a republican who speaks his own mind".) If he speaks out against Trump, he ends up alienating the hardcore MAGAchud that reside in the state (admittedly a smaller demographic but he will need all the votes he can get.)

The smart thing would have been for Lara Trump to just shut up about the senate race, because the republicans will need every senate seat they can get (even if its from a relatively moderate republican) in the upcoming election, and injecting any sort of comments into the senate race is going to backfire.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Waaaahhh! Things aren’t the way they used to be!!!

Erm, things have never been the way they used to be.
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Used to be, things were the way they used to be.

That is disputed, for pretty much the same reason you can't say the way things are now is the way things are now without a whole bunch of people getting upset and arguing with you.
 
plague311 said:
I'm sure they do, when they know it won't happen. Just like all suped up bullies the moment the shooting starts they'll **** their pants and cry. The military isn't going to turn on the POTUS and join the rebels. The moment it gets real you'll see these people dropping their weapons so quick.
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Counterpoint: The Capitol riot. A thousand armed and dangerous thugs effectively stopped government. Now multiply that by, say, 30, which would be the conservative count of core Trumpista militia gun-nuts out there. And there are plenty of guns available per idjit. To mop up all the riots of that scale across the country would take time and blood. I don't want to be anywhere in the country if that could start up anywhere, any time.

Regnad Kcin said:
Waaaahhh! Things aren’t the way they used to be!!!

Erm, things have never been the way they used to be.
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True. But I would hope to see things get better than before, not infinitely worse. I have good friends in the USA!
 
Norman Alexander said:
Counterpoint: The Capitol riot. A thousand armed and dangerous thugs effectively stopped government. Now multiply that by, say, 30, which would be the conservative count of core Trumpista militia gun-nuts out there. And there are plenty of guns available per idjit. To mop up all the riots of that scale across the country would take time and blood. I don't want to be anywhere in the country if that could start up anywhere, any time.
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I'm not asking you to come here, but I think you're grossly overestimating how many people would join in on this revolt. The moment the second drone missile fell and they can't even see the drone, they'll stop.

After the 6th, no one in charge is taking any chances. They'll call in the national guard, or the actual military the moment things heat up. Then it'll be curtains.
 
azazal said:
Counter-counter point. When Ashli Babbitt hit the ground, the MAGAs back down immediately.
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Counter-support point: At the conclusion of the riot the MAGA press and influencer contingent leaned heavily into the entire riot having been staged by Antifa disguised as MAGAs with no actual Trump supporters being involved.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Waaaahhh! Things aren’t the way they used to be!!!

Erm, things have never been the way people think they used to be.
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Red part added.

By definition, things have been the way they used to be. The past doesn't change. What changes is people's perception of the past. The problem is that many people want things to be the way they think they remember them. Many people think the past was much better than today. They don't remember the way things really were, or perhaps they know the truth about the past but ignore the bad times and cherry pick the good times.

And this is who the GQP plays to. Older white people who falsely remember the past as being good times. Well, these older white people ignore the fact that the past wasn't good for non-white people. It also wasn't good for women, LGBTQ people, and many other groups. But the GQP doesn't care about that; the "good old days" they want to bring back will be the "bad new days" for an awful lot of people.
 
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Multiple Trump Witnesses Have Received Significant Financial Benefits From His Businesses, Campaign

Nine witnesses in the criminal cases against former President Donald Trump have received significant financial benefits, including large raises from his campaign, severance packages, new jobs, and a grant of shares and cash from Trump’s media company.

The benefits have flowed from Trump’s businesses and campaign committees, according to a ProPublica analysis of public disclosures, court records and securities filings. One campaign aide had his average monthly pay double, from $26,000 to $53,500. Another employee got a $2 million severance package barring him from voluntarily cooperating with law enforcement. And one of the campaign’s top officials had her daughter hired onto the campaign staff, where she is now the fourth-highest-paid employee.

These pay increases and other benefits often came at delicate moments in the legal proceedings against Trump. One aide who was given a plum position on the board of Trump’s social media company, for example, got the seat after he was subpoenaed but before he testified.

Significant changes to a staffer’s work situation, such as bonuses, pay raises, firings or promotions, can be evidence of a crime if they come outside the normal course of business. To prove witness tampering, prosecutors would need to show that perks or punishments were intended to influence testimony.
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Nah, Trump would never do something so illegal.

Trump’s attorney, David Warrington, sent ProPublica a cease-and-desist letter demanding this article not be published. The letter warned that if the outlet and its reporters “continue their reckless campaign of defamation, President Trump will evaluate all legal remedies.”
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:rolleyes:
 
plague311 said:
I'm sure they do, when they know it won't happen. Just like all suped up bullies the moment the shooting starts they'll **** their pants and cry. The military isn't going to turn on the POTUS and join the rebels. The moment it gets real you'll see these people dropping their weapons so quick.
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plague311 said:
I'm not asking you to come here, but I think you're grossly overestimating how many people would join in on this revolt. The moment the second drone missile fell and they can't even see the drone, they'll stop.

After the 6th, no one in charge is taking any chances. They'll call in the national guard, or the actual military the moment things heat up. Then it'll be curtains.
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azazal said:
Counter-counter point. When Ashli Babbitt hit the ground, the MAGAs back down immediately.
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Checkmite said:
Counter-support point: At the conclusion of the riot the MAGA press and influencer contingent leaned heavily into the entire riot having been staged by Antifa disguised as MAGAs with no actual Trump supporters being involved.
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I agree with all the above. We saw no rioting at all after the felony convictions despite Trump's dog whistles.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm not equating other Trump defenders to Musk. Billionaires that support Trump have very different reasons than most of the rabble.
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Such as getting him off for insider trading. Looks like Musk is as corrupt as Trump. Selling 7.5 billion dollars in stock before releasing terrible quarterly financial reports.
 
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has joined with those Republicans demanding SCOTUS 'step in' and...what? Void trump's convictions? Is that even possible? Mike Johnson seems to think it's very possible, as he explained on Fox News yesterday:
Speaking on Fox, Mr. Johnson said he knew some of the justices on the Supreme Court personally and believed that they shared his view that Mr. Trump was a victim of unfair and politically motivated prosecutions. He also suggested that the legal system was biased against Mr. Trump and other conservatives. “So I think they’ll set this straight,” Mr. Johnson said.“This will be overturned, guys, there’s no question about it. It’s just going to take some time to do it.” MSN news link
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Meanwhile trump posted:
The “Sentencing” for not having done anything wrong will be, conveniently for the Fascists,
4 days before the Republican National Convention. A Radical Left Soros backed D.A.,
who ran on a platform of “I will get Trump,” reporting to an “Acting” Local Judge, appointed
by the Democrats, who is HIGHLY CONFLICTED, will make a decision which will determine
the future of our Nation? The United States Supreme Court MUST DECIDE!
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The nightmare just goes on and on and... :(
 
plague311 said:
I'm not asking you to come here, but I think you're grossly overestimating how many people would join in on this revolt. The moment the second drone missile fell and they can't even see the drone, they'll stop.

After the 6th, no one in charge is taking any chances. They'll call in the national guard, or the actual military the moment things heat up. Then it'll be curtains.
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I certainly hope and pray to all the non-gods you are right.

But it would not be 30,000 MAGAmutts in one riot at one place, to be taken out by one drone. It would be something like 1000 Proud Boys and 3%ers in 30 locations across a number of states, requiring 30 drones deployed against lots of citizens in the Homeland, plus armed troops intervening. Netanyahu can tell you now what happens when you do that; how "popular" such responses become, at home and internationally.
 
azazal said:
Counter-counter point. When Ashli Babbitt hit the ground, the MAGAs back down immediately.
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Nope. They **** on the carpets and pissed on the walls of your prime government building, then ransacked and looted it. This is the class of people Trump is appealing to in his shambolic speeches down an echoing alley beside the courtroom and at his fascist fanboi rallies.
 
newyorkguy said:
Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has joined with those Republicans demanding SCOTUS 'step in' and...what? Void trump's convictions? Is that even possible? Mike Johnson seems to think it's very possible, as he explained on Fox News yesterday:
Speaking on Fox, Mr. Johnson said he knew some of the justices on the Supreme Court personally and believed that they shared his view that Mr. Trump was a victim of unfair and politically motivated prosecutions. He also suggested that the legal system was biased against Mr. Trump and other conservatives. “So I think they’ll set this straight,” Mr. Johnson said.“This will be overturned, guys, there’s no question about it. It’s just going to take some time to do it.” MSN news link
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Mike seems to very conveniently forget that neither the NY prosecution team nor the judge in this case pronounced Trump guilty. And the defense team helped choose the jurors who returned a unanimous verdict. Or is Mike now NOT in favour of trial by jury for billionaire white collar criminals? I suspect neither. He is bought and 110% owned by Trump and the MAGA cult.

Meanwhile trump posted:
The “Sentencing” for not having done anything wrong will be, conveniently for the Fascists,
4 days before the Republican National Convention. A Radical Left Soros backed D.A.,
who ran on a platform of “I will get Trump,” reporting to an “Acting” Local Judge, appointed
by the Democrats, who is HIGHLY CONFLICTED, will make a decision which will determine
the future of our Nation? The United States Supreme Court MUST DECIDE!
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The nightmare just goes on and on and... :(
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Not a nightmare, just a repeat of the usual expected excuses. Trump has no idea what the word "conflicted" means. I suspect one of his legal team said it at some point, and he just repeats it like it means something important to him. He's just a bloated wind-up fascist doll now.
 
Norman Alexander said:
...He's just a bloated wind-up fascist doll now.
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That millions upon millions of Americans enthusiastically support and who polling shows has a realistic chance of being elected president this fall.

I also note the way trump alternates between calling his 'enemies' fascist or communist. :(
 
newyorkguy said:
That millions upon millions of Americans enthusiastically support and who polling shows has a realistic chance of being elected president this fall.

I also note the way trump alternates between calling his 'enemies' fascist or communist. :(
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As usual, he only knows those words as pejoratives. Swear words. He has absolutely no idea what they mean. And neither do his followers. What a pity someone didn't tell him that calling someone "copacetic" is probably the worst one.
 
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