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As someone who has decided reluctantly to support Biden this time around I am not freaking out so much. Trump is the wrong candidate and a major-league ******* but I don't buy the end of democracy scare-mongering about him.

Democrats were also accused of scare-mongering about Republicans outlawing abortion....
 
While Israel isn't a good look for Biden I'm not sure it's an election-changing problem, unlike housing, which will definitely impact the result.



https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cmj66r4lvzzo

People impacted by the housing crisis are Biden voters.

We actually have more affordable housing than most countries. If I'm not mistaken you are from New Zealand.

https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp

USA is 5th in the world by affordability. While NZ is 39th. The above sources methodology takes median income and median rent/mortgage payment. Not average.
 
Democrats were also accused of scare-mongering about Republicans outlawing abortion....

Has that actually happened anywhere?

Aside from that, the end of democracy talk, which is actually happening is license to do anything. Seriously, if you actually think trump means the end of democracy, why haven't you tried to kill him yet?

To be clear, the conservatives are doing it to, with much less back up. Trump is closer to the end of democracy than Biden to be sure. But all of that talk is dangerous and clearly a call to violence.
 
We actually have more affordable housing than most countries. If I'm not mistaken you are from New Zealand.

https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp

USA is 5th in the world by affordability. While NZ is 39th. The above sources methodology takes median income and median rent/mortgage payment. Not average.

Overall housing may be more affordable but with income and wealth inequality so high there are tens of millions of people who cannot afford that "affordable" housing.

There's also the issue of local affordability. There are parts of the US where housing is cheap but people can't live there because there aren't enough jobs (one of the reasons why housing is so cheap). In places where jobs are plentiful, housing is expensive so people earning at, or just above, minimum wage will find that housing unaffordable.
 
If Trump is acquitted (or even gets a hung jury) I'm certain he gets elected. The majority of the American people have the brains, memory and attention span of a grape. A moldy, desiccated, stepped-on grape.

It'll be street cred for him.
 
Overall housing may be more affordable but with income and wealth inequality so high there are tens of millions of people who cannot afford that "affordable" housing.

There's also the issue of local affordability. There are parts of the US where housing is cheap but people can't live there because there aren't enough jobs (one of the reasons why housing is so cheap). In places where jobs are plentiful, housing is expensive so people earning at, or just above, minimum wage will find that housing unaffordable.

Yeah, pretty silly to think of the US and probably even NZ as a single housing market.

That being said, lots of things play a role in the cost of housing.
 
Overall housing may be more affordable but with income and wealth inequality so high there are tens of millions of people who cannot afford that "affordable" housing.

There's also the issue of local affordability. There are parts of the US where housing is cheap but people can't live there because there aren't enough jobs (one of the reasons why housing is so cheap). In places where jobs are plentiful, housing is expensive so people earning at, or just above, minimum wage will find that housing unaffordable.

Is a 1 bedroom apartment affordable for a person making the local minimum wage for anyone in any desirable city in the developed world right now? My point is we are not an outlier for housing costs, and the POTUS has only very limited tools at his disposal to affect it. OTOH he could, right now, stop weapons to Israel. And only a two thirds majority from Congress could make him (not that I'm for that, just that he could).

Also, even with recent inflation we have just about the cheapest food, energy, and housing costs in the developed world.... everyone is now practically up in arms about it. Education and healthcare? I guess we're used to getting screwed?
 
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We actually have more affordable housing than most countries.

What a beautiful example of tu quoque!

What's happening elsewhere is no relevance, since those other countries' citizens won't be voting in the American election.

Does USA have a large section of people for whom housing costs have become unaffordable?

Yes or no?
 
What a beautiful example of tu quoque!

What's happening elsewhere is no relevance, since those other countries' citizens won't be voting in the American election.

Does USA have a large section of people for whom housing costs have become unaffordable?

Yes or no?

What magic wand would you like Biden to wave in order to fix a problem that is a problem nearly everywhere? How about fixing the unique to America problems that somehow everyone else is at least doing better than us?
 
What magic wand would you like Biden to wave in order to fix a problem that is a problem nearly everywhere?

You really struggle with reading simple sentences, don't you?

Where did I suggest Biden could (or should) try to solve it?

I made the entirely correct statement that it's likely to hurt his campaign.
 
It is incredibly simple for Biden to win: pivot hard to the Left, campaign for more Left-wing candidates, set up a Union advisory committee etc. etc

It won't cost him any votes in the Center, as there isn't anyone left there who hasn't made up their mind.

But there are a lot of voters up for grabs if Biden just hammered home the fact that he tried and tried in vain to find moderate Republicans not beholden to Trump.

The "GOP minus Trump approach of the last four years has failed, and it's time to try something else.
 
It is incredibly simple for Biden to win: pivot hard to the Left, campaign for more Left-wing candidates, set up a Union advisory committee etc. etc

It won't cost him any votes in the Center, as there isn't anyone left there who hasn't made up their mind.

But there are a lot of voters up for grabs if Biden just hammered home the fact that he tried and tried in vain to find moderate Republicans not beholden to Trump.

The "GOP minus Trump approach of the last four years has failed, and it's time to try something else.

There is nobody left in the center except a few disinterested independents. Who won't bother to vote because Biden is too old and let Israel bomb Gaza. Or raised gas prices. Or other "he is too" excuse.
 
At last - there is a new candidate for folk to get behind:


Once again, I'm voting for Zod!

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An ABC News Australia talking head just said polls say 10% of Republicans would not vote for a convicted felon. Let’s see if that’s true come November.
 
In a move that shows off his stable genius character DJT decides to lock up the contested convicted felon voter block by (hopefully) getting himself locked up and giving the voter block someone they can relate to.
 
An ABC News Australia talking head just said polls say 10% of Republicans would not vote for a convicted felon. Let’s see if that’s true come November.
Unless it's Trump.
I question how much overlap there is between the Republicans who didn't vote for Trump in 2020 and those who wouldn't vote for a convicted felon. It's not like it wasn't really obvious all along that Trump was far, far worse than most convicted felons.

With that said, I think that it's sorta obvious that Trump's convictions won't help him overall, but, well... the effects are likely to be more complicated than just a general drop in Republican support.

A new Marist Poll gauging the electoral implications of a guilty verdict in Donald Trump’s hush money trial is taking on new meaning following news Thursday of his criminal conviction on all 34 counts of falsifying business records. Though the poll, which was conducted for NPR and PBS, found that 67% of voters said a conviction would have no impact on their vote, nearly one-third said it likely would affect their choice for president.

At first blush, whether a guilty verdict helps or hurts Trump was negligible, with 15% saying a conviction makes them more likely to vote for him and 17% saying less likely.

That's WTF is wrong with that friggin' many more likely respondents territory, really.

There is a bit of a silver lining to that, though -

But digging into the poll's crosstabs, a guilty verdict could possibly help Biden on the margins by maximizing his standing among some important voting groups who already favor him and giving him a boost in areas of the country that will play an outsized role in the election’s outcome.

There may be a disproportionate impact on the Electoral College, in short, compared to the overall effect.


In another direction, I find myself mildly curious about how this Slate article and anything further along these lines will affect anything.

The Donald Trump I Saw on The Apprentice
For 20 years, I couldn’t say what I watched the former president do on the set of the show that changed everything. Now I can.


Nothing in that was some big revelation, of course, but the examples of racism, sexism, and how the image they built of Trump was a lie being no longer being bound by NDA is still something. That there were apparently tapes of much of it is mildly tantalizing information, too.
 
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