Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire IV

[Vixen]

Dodge noted, it's not a hard question, try again. Please keep your answer to within the confines of the question.

It is not lying, it is PR. Spin. Every day, your government gives you spin. Recognise it. Treat it with a healthy pinch of salt. When it tries to browbeat you into believing something that all your senses tells you is untrue, stop and ask yourself WHY does it want me to believe this so badly?

 

[junkshop]

For crying out loud! A reasonable person will naturally want to understand WHY it is so IMPORTANT to insist from Day One it was a DIESEL and then pretend regular 'updates' that it is still a diesel?

Why is it so important to emphasise this one detail which caused the destruction of up to 1,500 cars and new-ish carpark...

Probably because of this sort of thing:

...Whilst the police confirm the vehicle in question was a diesel car, there has been much speculation and arguing on social media that the car ‘must have been an EV or Hybrid’ as ‘only a lithium battery would explode like that’.

Someone else has identified the car from its number plates as being a diesel 2014 Land Rover sports model. The issue is that people do not believe that diesel is particularly combustible. Plus the flames seem to spread out from underneath the passenger side ‘indicating an EV battery issue’.

Some seem to believe that police are playing down the EV angle because they do not want to ruin the EV-car market.

For example:

“I can remember car parks exploding and bursting into flames long before electric vehicles were invented…NOT #LutonAirport” https://x.com/Iromg/status/1712093115148882169?s=20...[

 

[wollery]

It is not lying, it is PR. Spin. Every day, your government gives you spin. Recognise it. Treat it with a healthy pinch of salt. When it tries to browbeat you into believing something that all your senses tells you is untrue, stop and ask yourself WHY does it want me to believe this so badly?

Spin is rephrasing things in an ambiguous manner.

Saying something that you know is not true is lying.

Saying “It is definitely a diesel vehicle” when they know it isn’t a diesel vehicle is lying.

This is pretty simple stuff.

 

[junkshop]

It is not lying, it is PR. Spin. Every day, your government gives you spin. Recognise it. Treat it with a healthy pinch of salt. When it tries to browbeat you into believing something that all your senses tells you is untrue, stop and ask yourself WHY does it want me to believe this so badly?

Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service is not the government.

ETA: also, what wollery said.

 

[Craig4]

https://cesafety.co.uk/news/data-reveals-extent-of-electric-vehicle-fires-around-the-uk/

Why make a fuss about this one incident. It's not as if there aren't plenty of EV fires regularly reported in the UK already. The article quotes the chief of a fire brigade. Maybe he didn't get the memo? It's enough of an issue that this company gives a course on handling these types of vehicle fires. Seems rather odd to jump to the conclusion that there's a cover up to conceal a well known and often reported problem.

Why would this one fire brigade cover up an EV fire when other chiefs clearly have on problem talking about them?

 

[Mojo]

Then we discover a certain person has a whole fleet of Jaguar Land Rover vehicles ...

This bit of your conspiracy theory doesn't really fit with the rest. Why would someone who is hushing up dangerous characteristics of JLR vehicles want to have a whole fleet of them?

 

[Foster Zygote]

For crying out loud! A reasonable person will naturally want to understand WHY it is so IMPORTANT to insist from Day One it was a DIESEL and then pretend regular 'updates' that it is still a diesel?

Why do you lie so much? You know full well that on "Day One" it was stated that it was probably a diesel. There was no insistence that it was definitely a diesel then. I was much later when they confirmed that it was a diesel.

 

[Mojo]

Why do you lie so much? You know full well that on "Day One" it was stated that it was probably a diesel. There was no insistence that it was definitely a diesel then. I was much later when they confirmed that it was a diesel.

Perhaps Vixen is claiming that the investigation didn't start until March 21st.

 

[Foster Zygote]

It is not lying, it is PR. Spin. Every day, your government gives you spin. Recognise it. Treat it with a healthy pinch of salt. When it tries to browbeat you into believing something that all your senses tells you is untrue, stop and ask yourself WHY does it want me to believe this so badly?

Cognitive dissonance. They are either lying or telling the truth. You seem to want to call them liars, but without actually committing to that position. This seems to be because you only want to attack other's arguments, but not defend your own.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It is not lying, it is PR. Spin.

No. It would be lying.

PR is emphasising the positive and glossing over the negative. Spin is putting things in a positive light. Stating false things as if they were fact is nether of those things, it is lying. You know this. We know this.

 

[Foster Zygote]

This bit of your conspiracy theory doesn't really fit with the rest. Why would someone who is hushing up dangerous characteristics of JLR vehicles want to have a whole fleet of them?

And why would someone looking to protect his Tata investments conspire to blame the fire on another Tata Motors product?

 

[whoanellie]

It is not lying, it is PR. Spin. Every day, your government gives you spin. Recognise it. Treat it with a healthy pinch of salt. When it tries to browbeat you into believing something that all your senses tells you is untrue, stop and ask yourself WHY does it want me to believe this so badly?

This is just spin on your part - and you're lying.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

WHY it is so IMPORTANT ... Why is it so important ... WHY is it important ... Why is that bit important?

As has been pointed out already, you yourself explained exactly why the fire service said what kind of fuel the car used, in your original post of part one of this interminable, futile thread: Conspiracy-minded anti-EV types falsely claimed it was an EV.

So you have always known why they said it. You told us why they needed to say it. Now you want us to think it's suspicious that they said it. No. It isn't suspicious.

 

[Dabop]

For crying out loud! A reasonable person will naturally want to understand WHY it is so IMPORTANT to insist from Day One it was a DIESEL and then pretend regular 'updates' that it is still a diesel?

Why is it so important to emphasise this one detail which caused the destruction of up to 1,500 cars and new-ish carpark.



https://x.com/benscribbles/status/1791487000429674871

It is clearly an attempt at inculcation and therefore you should ask WHY is it important that the make, model and year of the first vehicle should not be confirmed but we have to have it bashed into our brains it was a DIESEL.

Why is that bit important? Explain.

Then we discover a certain person has a whole fleet of Jaguar Land Rover vehicles because he is such a great fan and the wife's father is a close friend of...Mr. Tata who owns JLR 100% and has just been handed multiple hundreds of millions of UK tax payer monies as a subsidy...signed off by you-know-who. And the UK taxpayer has no idea where this person has his £500m portfolio invested as he claims it is all on the 'blind trust' register and thus avoids declaring stuff that ought to be transparent.


AHA!!!!



Penny drops...?!

Because a whole bunch of anti EV conspiracy nutters on the internet (not pointing any fingers here....) ran with the 'theory' it was an EV (note that the INITIAL release stated clearly that at that point in time it was 'believed' to be a diesel, subject to later confirmation...
Later we indeed get that confirmation from the Fire Service, that the initial was indeed a diesel- NOT a hybrid (homemade or not) or EV...

Of course those self same nutters that have been swamping multiple websites and social media are never happy and many are still parroting their often contradictory (and some downright convoluted) 'theories' to the fire...

I know of at least five who are determined that it 'must' be an EV fire- despite all the evidence to the contrary...

That penny should be investigated immediately- its been spinning in midair that long- it obviously has the key to antigravity!!!

 

[Mojo]

And why would someone looking to protect his Tata investments conspire to blame the fire on another Tata Motors product?

I didn't say it was the only bit that doesn't make sense.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

This bit of your conspiracy theory doesn't really fit with the rest. Why would someone who is hushing up dangerous characteristics of JLR vehicles want to have a whole fleet of them?

An abiding love of impromptu al fresco cooking? Can't beat a serving of Lithium cooked chicken breasts with asparagus beside the M1?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

And why would someone looking to protect his Tata investments conspire to blame the fire on another Tata Motors product?

Maybe he put the cover up in the worthy hands of the skilled professionals handling his general election campaign?

 

[Darat]

5 dimensional chess!

 

[SpitfireIX]

I didn't ask whether you were familiar with the case. I'd be astounded if you weren't. I asked whether you'd actually read the article to which you linked, because you don't appear to understand the context in which the two quotations you lifted from it were given.




Yet you keep insisting that you don't believe Sunak is guilty of a crime, while continuing to insinuate that he's directed those under him to cover up the "fact" that the Luton fire was started by an EV, in order to protect some speculative financial interest of his or his family's in Tata JLR. This would still be Conspiracy to commit Misconduct in Public Office, whether or not you choose to admit it. You are therefore proposing (although you sometimes hedge with weasel words) a theory that there is a conspiracy to keep the true source of the fire a secret. Therefore, you are a conspiracy theorist.




And, as has been explained to you repeatedly, this is irrelevant. The fact that you think Sunak probably won't get caught is irrelevant. The fact that you think that even if he does get caught, he [ETA: probably] won't be punished is irrelevant. The fact that you think that even if he is punished, it will only amount to "a slap on the wrist" is irrelevant. You are still accusing him of participating in a criminal conspiracy.




What Jay said.

Vixen, now that the thread's been reopened, how about responding?

 

[JesseCuster]

This bit of your conspiracy theory doesn't really fit with the rest. Why would someone who is hushing up dangerous characteristics of JLR vehicles want to have a whole fleet of them?

Also, why would owning a personal fleet of vehicles made by a certain company make someone go to the bizarre trouble of covering up a fire where a vehicle made by that company was involved?

There is no connection between fleets of personal vehicles and the Luton car park because it's ludicrous and Vixen won't and can't provide any connection, any attempt to respond to these questions will simply result in an irrelevant tangent of storytelling and make believe about something that wasn't asked.