Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire III

[Andy_Ross]

https://fullfact.org/online/electric-hybrid-did-not-start-luton-airport-car-park-fire/

What was claimed: The car that started the fire in the Luton Airport car park was electric.

Our verdict: Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service has said that the vehicle initially involved in the fire was diesel, and not a hybrid or electric car.

The local fire brigade, Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service, confirmed to Full Fact that the initial vehicle involved in the fire was a diesel, not a hybrid.

Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer at Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service, previously told the media: “We have no intelligence at this stage to suggest that this was anything other than an accidental fire that started in one of the vehicles that had not long arrived at the airport. It was not an EV. This was a diesel powered vehicle.”​

Case closed. If there is any organization who will know what started any given fire, it will be the organization (in this case, the Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service) that extinguished it, and investigated the cause.

(Unless, of course, Vixen claims that the omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful and nefarious "they" have instructed the Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service to lie to the public.

In fact, the vehicle that started the fire was a 2014 Range Rover Sport TDV6 SE (a turbocharged diesel)

https://www.landrovermonthly.co.uk/articles/news/the-truth-is-revealed/

There was a conspiracy theory that the car which started the fire was really an electric vehicle, despite the fact Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said: “It’s believed to be diesel-powered.” Furthermore there was actual footage of the car first alight, which, based on the registration plate, was a 2014 Range Rover Sport TDV6 SE.
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Paraphrasing the late SG Collins:

Once you are forced to hypothesise whole new conspiracies to keep your conspiracy possible, you have stepped over into the realm of magic, requiring of you a deep and abiding faith in things you can never know.

Vixen has already said that the video showing the reg plate is a 'deep fake'

 

[Steve]

Vixen has already said that the video showing the reg plate is a 'deep fake'

And Vixen has provided evidence other than her rather vivid imagination for this opinion. Oh, wait......

 

[smartcooky]

Vixen has already said that the video showing the reg plate is a 'deep fake'

It this was true, then the fire investigators would realize that plate didn't match the one they found when they did they investi......

Oh wait! I forgot!! Evil Secret Agent 006.66 will have been sent by the omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful and nefarious "they" to substitute matching fake plates for the real ones before the investigators got there! Silly me!

 

[Foster Zygote]

When someone's proof amounts to "the government always lies", I find that every bit as stupid an argument as "the government always tells the truth".

 

[Mojo]

It this was true, then the fire investigators would realize that plate didn't match the one they found when they did they investi......

Oh wait! I forgot!! Evil Secret Agent 006.66 will have been sent by the omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful and nefarious "they" to substitute matching fake plates for the real ones before the investigators got there!

In "The Case of the Missing CD Plates" it was Bluebottle.

 

[Vixen]

Vixen, while I am aware you have several people asking questions and addressing you with points of their own, I want you to actually deal with my point please, since you requested something specific of me which I dealt with. You attempted to handwave past it earlier, but as I noted, that handwave didn't actually address what my point was. Indeed, you conflated what I was actually stating with a different argument you were involved in, as is your way.

It was established that it is unlikely to have been an attempt at conversion to hybrid. No point dwelling on it.

 

[Foster Zygote]

It this was true, then the fire investigators would realize that plate didn't match the one they found when they did they investi......

Oh wait! I forgot!! Evil Secret Agent 006.66 will have been sent by the omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful and nefarious "they" to substitute matching fake plates for the real ones before the investigators got there! Silly me!

That deep fake video came out remarkably fast.

LICKSPITTLE TOADY (LT): Boss! We now have the power to create a fake video of a burning diesel car in the event that one of our incredibly dangerous lithium ion batteries explodes with the heat of a thousand supernovas and melts an...

BLACK HOODED FIGURE IN SHADOW (BHFIS): Supernovae.

LT: ...What?

BHFIS: The plural of supernova is supernovae.

LT: Yes, thank you Boss. If of our battery explodes with the heat of a thousand supernovae and melts an entire parking garage with its incredible energy, we can fake a video of a normally perfectly harmless gasoline or diesel car to blame it on.

BHFIS: Excellent. Excellent! [diabolical laughter]

LT: [obsequious laughter]

BHFIS: And how long will this take?

LT: Only a couple of weeks.

BHFIS: A couple of WEEKS?

LT: [cringing] Well, if we use too many people to make it the risk of exposure gets higher. And we're already stretched with buying off or intimidating all the police and firefighters.

BHFIS: That won't do. We'll have to make the video, then stage the battery fire so we can blame it on a diesel shortly after.

LT: We'll get right on it!

BHFIS: And don't do anything stupid like put informative signage to try and make it look more airporty. Even an idiot would see right through that.

 

[Mojo]

It was established that it is unlikely to have been an attempt at conversion to hybrid. No point dwelling on it.

"The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle."

No point dwelling on it.

 

[Vixen]

Yes, a news embargo is one of the cases that I described as completely normal. As the wiki article explains, an embargo is requested by a news source to not reveal what that source has released, under the threat of that source not being available as a source in the future if the embargo is broken. An embargo cannot be imposed by a third party regarding news the press already knows about from other sources.

But even if an embargo could have been imposed in this case, only the embargoed information is withheld. The source, or the government, or whoever, cannot embargo news of the existence of the embargo itself. At least, not without necessitating an infinite regress of additional embargoes. So please show where the UK press (or the press anywhere in the world) has reported that news about lithium battery fires has been embargoed.

Maybe the news media are just too lazy to report that, though, or don't think it would be of their audience's interest if they did. That might be worth investigating. So, which news outlets have you contacted to ask whether and by whom news about lithium battery fires has been embargoed? And what was their response?

My bad, I should have realised earlier that the 'latest announcements' and revelations were nothing of the sort; simply hack, Phil Page, presenting old news as new. The British press is very different from the US press and other parts of the world. For example, the etiquette in the UK when there is an official investigation, be it a trial, a public inquiry or an investigation into a fire, such as this one, the press do not as a matter of protocol ask questions until the report is out. It's rare for things to leak as the national press has legal advisers to block unofficial stuff or things that might cause legal problems, such as stating something that later needs to be retracted as inaccurate. That is the protocol, so there is not much point in discussing this case until the report is published. September, according to the BBC. So yes, an embargo for sure as we have been told the make of such vehicles in the past but also just de rigueur to wait for the report.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

When someone's proof amounts to "the government always lies", I find that every bit as stupid an argument as "the government always tells the truth".

But it makes making up ******** so much easier, you wet blanket!

 

[Vixen]

This still doesn't explain how a lack of sprinklers can cause a fire.

Citation, please of where it said they could cause a fire.

 

[Vixen]

Sorry, can we be explicit here?

Just tell me whether you agree or disagree with the following statement.

* The evidence strongly suggests that the initial vehicle was NOT a diesel ICE vehicle, despite what the current press releases allege.

Obviously, if you disagree agree, then honestly, one wonders whether the press releases or even the final report matter, since the authors are either deceitful or incompetent. Is that where you're leaning right now?

Disagree. This is just based on the initial press release and we have had nothing since then.

 

[Mojo]

My bad, I should have realised earlier that the 'latest announcements' and revelations were nothing of the sort; simply hack, Phil Page, presenting old news as new.

Nope, the story you quoted said that the statement was made "at the time of the blaze". It wasn't presented as "the 'latest announcements' and revelations", it was included as background in a story about the impact on a wheelchair user of losing his car in the fire.

 

[Vixen]

It must be a great photo to convince you that it's accurate. What's the difference between this eyewitness photo and the photos/videos in the Luton fire? How come an eyewitness photo is reliable enough in one case but not the other?

It could be a hoax, who knows? The problem with X-Twitter is that there are people who think it amusing to start a rumour, such as the 'Benjamin Cohen' one, or the person who claimed the Luton Fire was a Range Rover Sport 2014 with a numberplate that could be looked up on DVLA. Most likely someone wanting to wind up what they consider 'anti-EV gammons'. Look up a RR vehicle that was diesel only and apply that number to the fake video.

As Geoff Buys Cars acknowledges, it was a picture sent in by someone claiming to work at Gatwick. I don't think he was trying to start a hoax.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

When someone's proof amounts to "the government always lies", I find that every bit as stupid an argument as "the government always tells the truth".

Quoted for truth

 

[zooterkin]

Disagree. This is just based on the initial press release and we have had nothing since then.

You're lying again.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

In "The Case of the Missing CD Plates" it was Bluebottle.

Nah,it was Queen. Any car related CD becomes Queen's Greatest Hits.

 

[zooterkin]

And you know it is wrong, how?

Read this and all will become clear as to why we have not been told what the brand of car was.

https://www.indiatimes.com/worth/ne...p-chairman-after-gigafactory-deal-609670.html


And the evasions will continue. The latest news is that the fire was due to 'a lack of sprinklers' and this will be rectified in future.

This still doesn't explain how a lack of sprinklers can cause a fire.

Citation, please of where it said they could cause a fire.

See above.

 

[Mojo]

Sorry, can we be explicit here?

Just tell me whether you agree or disagree with the following statement.

* The evidence strongly suggests that the initial vehicle was NOT a diesel ICE vehicle, despite what the current press releases allege.

Obviously, if you disagree agree, then honestly, one wonders whether the press releases or even the final report matter, since the authors are either deceitful or incompetent. Is that where you're leaning right now?

Disagree. This is just based on the initial press release and we have had nothing since then.

It's a pity you haven't been able to take more recent information into account, such as, for example, this press release dated 21st March 2024.

 

[Vixen]

https://fullfact.org/online/electric-hybrid-did-not-start-luton-airport-car-park-fire/

What was claimed: The car that started the fire in the Luton Airport car park was electric.

Our verdict: Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service has said that the vehicle initially involved in the fire was diesel, and not a hybrid or electric car.

The local fire brigade, Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service, confirmed to Full Fact that the initial vehicle involved in the fire was a diesel, not a hybrid.

Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer at Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service, previously told the media: “We have no intelligence at this stage to suggest that this was anything other than an accidental fire that started in one of the vehicles that had not long arrived at the airport. It was not an EV. This was a diesel powered vehicle.”​

Case closed. If there is any organization who will know what started any given fire, it will be the organization (in this case, the Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service) that extinguished it, and investigated the cause.

(Unless, of course, Vixen claims that the omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful and nefarious "they" have instructed the Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service to lie to the public.

In fact, the vehicle that started the fire was a 2014 Range Rover Sport TDV6 SE (a turbocharged diesel)

https://www.landrovermonthly.co.uk/articles/news/the-truth-is-revealed/

There was a conspiracy theory that the car which started the fire was really an electric vehicle, despite the fact Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said: “It’s believed to be diesel-powered.” Furthermore there was actual footage of the car first alight, which, based on the registration plate, was a 2014 Range Rover Sport TDV6 SE.
​

Paraphrasing the late SG Collins:

Once you are forced to hypothesise whole new conspiracies to keep your conspiracy possible, you have stepped over into the realm of magic, requiring of you a deep and abiding faith in things you can never know.

The Land Rover Sport 2014 rumour and CCTV supposedly from the front of the vehicle was put out by a tweeter with 200 followers and this CCTV has not been picked up by any of the national press because it has zero authenticity.

We discussed the Full Fact issue earlier in the thread, if you go back to thread number 1.