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Merged Israel Attacks Iran /Yet Another Country/Iran

Lplus said:
Israel already won this round by a country mile.

Iran sends hundreds of missiles/drones over of which only a few got through and the damage/loss of life is minimal.

Iran says it "achieved all it's objectives"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68737710
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Despite what they say publicly, if I were an Iranian military strategist, my takeaway from this would be that we (Iran) cannot hurt Israel with our conventional weapons; therefore, we must accelerate our development of nuclear weapons.

Although, I suppose if Iran's military strategeists were competent (which I suspect they are), they would have known this already.
 
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jt512 said:
Despite what they say publicly, if I were an Iranian military strategist, my takeaway from this would be that we (Iran) cannot hurt Israel with our conventional weapons; therefore, we must accelerate our development of nuclear weapons.
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They can develop them but delivering them might be more difficult considering how effective the Israeli/US/ etc defences were - quite apart from the expectation of nuclear retaliation and the hatred of every middle eastern non shia country affected by radiation.
 
jt512 said:
Israel had conducted a limited, targeted attack against Hamas leaders at a known location. In response, Iran indiscriminately launched over 300 drones and missiles at Israel. Who escalated?
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On April 1st, the Israeli Air Force 'allegedly' conducted a sophisticated cross-border and precise raid into Damascus, Syria, with the result being the elimination of 7 high-ranking Iranian military (Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, among other Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps -- IRGC -- commanders).

Chatham House provided a clear desciption of the situation a few days ago, and their experts anticipated this response from Iran (just as did pretty much everyone).
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/04/strike-irans-consulate-syria-could-be-spark-ignites-middle-east

Israel is fine this morning.
(P.S. -- not that it matters to this discussion, but in 1991, I was in Tel Aviv while the Iraqi SCUDs were being fired at us, nightly for a month -- 42 in all -- and besides being extremely nerve-wracking, the incoming rockets inflicted minimal devastation and we Kept Calm and Carried On).
 
Quite a clever bit of work on Israel's part.

A strike on an Iranian target guarantees reprisals, which they are pretty sure won't do much damage, but does take everybody's eyes off Gaza for a while AND just about guarantees continued American (and other) support in the form of weaponry and other military support.
 
Iran had the right to respond militarily to Israel's disgusting attack on a consulate.

But they went too far. 200 rockets and missiles was incredibly disproportionate, and Israel now has the right to counter-attack.

Will they? Who knows.
 
webfusion said:
On April 1st, the Israeli Air Force 'allegedly' conducted a sophisticated cross-border and precise raid into Damascus, Syria, with the result being the elimination of 7 high-ranking Iranian military (Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Zahedi, among other Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps -- IRGC -- commanders)...
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An illegal war crime against a diplomatic facility that is off-limits in war time.

Israel earned and deserved a military response on their people for this crime.

I am glad Iran responded militarily, but they went too far and now ISRAEL has the right to counter-attack.
 
Ryokan said:
I thought, is this the first time a nuclear power has been attacked by another country?

Looking it up, it has happened once before. Argentina attacked the UK, starting the Falklands War.

Let's hope Israel can be as level headed as the Brits when it comes to the power at their disposal.
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So you think Israel is going to conduct an indiscriminate night bombing campaign to de-house Iranians?
 
Hercules56 said:
I200 rockets and missiles was incredibly disproportionate
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I disagree.

Israel's anti-aircraft and missile defense systems are well known. The attack was choreographed well in advance and because of that Israel, the U.S. and Jordan all had time to prepare.

This missile/drone attack was calculated and planned to cause little death or destruction.

It was a show of defiance in response to the Damascus attack. It satisfies the hardliners in Iran but was ineffectual enough to give Israel a reason to limit its own response - there remains space for de-escalation.

I don't think Israel will take advantage of the that space for de-escalation, but that's only because Bibi is an ******* who depends upon hardliners to keep his criminal ass in power.
 
crescent said:
It was a show of defiance in response to the Damascus attack. It satisfies the hardliners in Iran but was ineffectual enough to give Israel a reason to limit its own response - there remains space for de-escalation.

I don't think Israel will take advantage of the that space for de-escalation, but that's only because Bibi is an ******* who depends upon hardliners to keep his criminal ass in power.
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Why should Israel de-escalate? Is Iran going to de-escalate its support for terrorism against Israel?
 
crescent said:
I disagree.

Israel's anti-aircraft and missile defense systems are well known. The attack was choreographed well in advance and because of that Israel, the U.S. and Jordan all had time to prepare.

This missile/drone attack was calculated and planned to cause little death or destruction.

It was a show of defiance in response to the Damascus attack. It satisfies the hardliners in Iran but was ineffectual enough to give Israel a reason to limit its own response - there remains space for de-escalation.
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I agree, I'm giving the point to Iran on this one. Israel didn't swat the missiles down by standing on the Temple Mount and swinging its dick around like a helicopter. If the US and Jordan hadn't intercepted 90% of the strike, casualties would not have been minimal. Iran demonstrated that Israel alone is vulnerable without damaging anything but their pride.

I don't think Israel will take advantage of the that space for de-escalation, but that's only because Bibi is an ******* who depends upon hardliners to keep his criminal ass in power.
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I'm hopeful they will. I'm sure they'll piss and moan and swear bloody vengeance, because something about the heat in the area turns leadership into authoritarian **** fer brains, but even Bibi can't be stupid enough to think starting a remote war with people who can shoot back would be a good idea.
 
Given the damage Israel has done Iran compared to vice versa, looks like Israel got all it wants, if killing Hamas fighters is all it wants.
And it got a free advertisement for the Iron Dome in the bargain.

This exchange of force ended in Israel's favor.
 
Ziggurat said:
Why should Israel de-escalate? Is Iran going to de-escalate its support for terrorism against Israel?
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If you want to claim that Israel should escalate, you should present an argument how it would be in Israel's bets interest to escalate.

If you don't want to claim that Israel should escalate, you are JAQing off.
 
Lplus said:
Israel already won this round by a country mile.

Iran sends hundreds of missiles/drones over of which only a few got through and the damage/loss of life is minimal.

Iran says it "achieved all it's objectives"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68737710


Pathetic.
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This.

Israel succeeded with a targeted strategic hit against a military target,even though consulates are a no-no.

And Iran: injured an Arab girl.
AND Iran thinks this is what revenge is.

Israel showed that it has a functioning de-facto military alliance in the region. Iran has Yemen. Iran has demonstrated that they are unable or unwilling to attack Israel seriously and come e.g. to Hamas' aid in any substantial way.

Israel could now cash in on this win, develop its de-facto alliance with various muslim countries in the region and tackle the Hamas from a position of increased strength and respect.

Or Bibi could botch this soft pitch.
 
Oystein said:
This.

Israel succeeded with a targeted strategic hit against a military target,even though consulates are a no-no.

And Iran: injured an Arab girl.
AND Iran thinks this is what revenge is.

Israel showed that it has a functioning de-facto military alliance in the region. Iran has Yemen. Iran has demonstrated that they are unable or unwilling to attack Israel seriously and come e.g. to Hamas' aid in any substantial way.

Israel could now cash in on this win, develop its de-facto alliance with various muslim countries in the region and tackle the Hamas from a position of increased strength and respect.

Or Bibi could botch this soft pitch.
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That's how I see it.
 
Ziggurat said:
Why should Israel de-escalate? Is Iran going to de-escalate its support for terrorism against Israel?
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JudeoFascists see this as Israel and USA's big opportunity to finally take out Iran's nuclear sites and they dont want to lose it, amiright?
 
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