Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

[Jack by the hedge]

I remarked that it appeared to be a lithium-ion fire from what people in the general public claiming to be familiar with such matters commented, the speed of the fire and its sheer intensity, together with the floor collapsing...

On the specific point of the floor collapsing, that occurred after a large number of cars had been ablaze for several hours. So there is no way to attribute that to 'car zero'.

Also you have literally no idea whether the floor below car zero was even involved in the collapse or not.

Maybe waiting for the report would be a better idea.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Sunak has a company in the Cayman Islands (read: secrecy) and all of his assets are listed in the Parliamentary interest as being on a 'blind register'. Even Cameron and Boris Johnson never hid behind a 'blind register' as it is important for public servants in high places to be seen to be completely transparent, spotless and without conflicts of interest.

I guess you mean a blind trust, and not that he's fraudulently claiming a disability allowance.

It also looks as if you think (or wish to imply) that a blind trust is a method of concealing assets. I know nothing whatever about accountancy or matters financial, but I do not think that is what they are.

 

[GlennB]

On the specific point of the floor collapsing, that occurred after a large number of cars had been ablaze for several hours. So there is no way to attribute that to 'car zero'.

Also you have literally no idea whether the floor below car zero was even involved in the collapse or not.

Maybe waiting for the report would be a better idea.

Also, 'car zero' was on a higher level than the floor filmed collapsing.

 

[Dabop]

Citation, please.

Every post you have made in multiple threads...

 

[Foster Zygote]

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and his wife...

So you're going to counter the observation that you're a conspiracy theorist by showing us your wall full of headshots and thumb-tacks connected by red yarn.

Of course the embargo on the cause of the Luton Airport car park fire is directly due to Sunak protecting his personal financial interests. Mark my words.

What embargo?

Your words are so often laughably wrong. Why would anyone mark your words?

In the 2018 Liverpool ECHO car park fire we were told straight away what make the culprit vehicle was.

Were we? You're so often wrong that I'm not going to take your word for it. It was known from the first photo of the burning car that the Luton vehicle was a Land Rover Discovery, the same as the Liverpool vehicle.

 

[Foster Zygote]

That is a matter of fact. Learn to recognise factual information.

You mean "facts" like diesel needs high pressure to burn, or any electrical fault in an automobile's wiring harness will immediately cut off all lights, or that welding steel doesn't involve melting it?

You may stick your fingers in your ears and shout "ICAN'THEARYOUICAN'THEARYOU!!!" whenever any of your "facts" are shown to be completely wrong, but you can't make the evidence of your ineptitude disappear from the minds of others just by wishing it away.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Maybe waiting for the report would be a better idea.

But she has to savor the "just you wait - you'll see..." of a future prediction.

 

[CompusMentus]

Nonsense. I was called a conspiracy theorist in the Nicola Bulley case.....

Would that have something to do with you insisting that the man who claimed to have discovered Nichola Bulley was an undercover policeman?

(Rhetorical question)

Compus

 

[JayUtah]

Again, a massive personal attack just because a couple of individuals didn't know about the use of primes in denoting time durations. Likewise the issue with the freaking winter coat and the belief clothes make you immediately sink in water. It wasn't me that had the problem!

What actually happened was that you were egregiously and obviously wrong, and you spun an ever more amusing series of lies to avoid admitting it. Once we figured out what you were trying to say, you remained the only one with the problem. I mention it because it’s one of the few examples of your posts that isn’t strictly a conspiracy theory. But I see you’ve managed to turn it into one.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

How to recognize what skill sets are needed is the first step.

English comprehension is the primary skill needed to understand the following sentence:

The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle.​

IMV the UK taxpayer is quite entitled to understand the logistics of this fire and why the Fire & Rescue Services were unable to cope with it.

Entitled is not the same as qualified. I'd have thought most UK taxpayers were qualified to read the italicized English sentence above, but Vixen has convinced me that at least one UK taxpayer lacks that skill.

That is a matter of fact. Learn to recognise factual information.

Almost everyone who has been participating in this thread recognizes and acknowledges the fact that the Bedfordshire Fire & Rescue Service has told us "The vehicle involved was diesel-powered – it was not a mild hybrid, plug-in hybrid or electric vehicle."

One participant has been unable to recognize that factual information.

Again, a massive personal attack just because a couple of individuals didn't know about the use of primes in denoting time durations.

I recall only one such individual.

IIRC, it was just one individual that had the problem with the use of primes.

Does anyone recall a second individual who was having that same problem with primes?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Your words are so often laughably wrong. Why would anyone mark your words?

With red pen, perhaps?

 

[SpitfireIX]

The first two are current affairs topics which were moved to conspiracy theories in order to give posters a green flag to relentlessly hurl abuse for fun.

You just espoused a new conspiracy theory involving the forum moderators, without providing any evidence. Further, correctly and relevantly calling attention to your misapprehensions, ignorance, incompetence, and lack of critical thinking skills does not constitute abuse, no matter how butthurt you are about it. And I second Jay's invitation to you to report any post you feel is abusive for moderation, rather than just make dramatic claims that everyone is abusing you.

The current topic is of general public interest. If it doesn't interest you, it doesn't make it a conspiracy theory!

Non sequitur. Your thread was moved here because you are insinuating that elements within the British government are conspiring to conceal the true source of the fire, not because no one is interested in the topic.

As for the MV Estonia this too is a current affairs topic and indeed there has been much publicity in the mass media about the new investigation. This catastrophe which immediately killed a thousand people including babies, children, mothers, grandmothers, men, almost the entire Stockholm police union cohort, happened in my local area and this part of the world is naturally my area of interest just as others is theirs. One of the USA's most famous mariner was also interested in this topic (Greg Bemis).

Again, you have advanced several ridiculous and in some cases contradictory conspiracy theories on the sinking of the Estonia, so the threads were properly moved here.

I don't think you understand what a conspiracy theorist is.

See below.

As for the third link to Crimes and Trials, that particular murder, too, was of great interest in the mass media. The idea that there was some kind of conspiracy to 'get the American woman' is not mine.

[Note: I meant to mention this when it was brought up earlier, but although I didn't participate much, I did read through the entire Amanda Knox thread in all of its then-current iterations at one point when things were slow elsewhere on the forum. Also, to avoid derailing this thread, I will not be making any further comments or responses here concerning Vixen's claims about Amanda Knox.]

The hilited is your usual laughable spin. Of course you never claimed there was a conspiracy to frame Knox; rather, you claimed that she and her ex-boyfriend are obviously guilty, but that their murder convictions were overturned because of, inter alia, corrupt Italian Supreme Court justices, her ex-boyfriend's purported Mafia connections, and improper pressure from the US State Department. Further, you ignored the overwhelming and incontrovertible evidence of gross misconduct and incompetence on the part of the Italian authorities in this case, and you also ignored the experts in biology and forensic science in the thread who attempted to correct your many misapprehensions. So par for the course.

A conspiracy theory is one in which a mysterious cabal of people presume to want to rule the world. For example, Hitler's belief in a Jewish conspiracy to not only instigate communism but to paradoxically dominate banking, or David Icke's belief that the Royal Family are lizards and part of an underground cabal who live deep within the earth controlling world events. (I feel sure Icke borrowed heavily from Jim Morrison's poems about the 'Lizard Kings'.) Wanting to understand how an appalling accident or a murder happened is hardly a conspiracy theory. Yes, people want to understand how the towers collapsed in 9/11 but that is not a conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theorists are those who believe it was some kind of Zionist plot by Mossad, the classic example of a conspiracy theory.

No. From Merriam-Webster:

. . . a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators . . .

also : a theory asserting that a secret of great importance is being kept from the public . . . [italics original; bolding mine]​

So no, it doesn't need reptilian overlords or worldwide Jewish cabals to be a conspiracy theory. "NASA Faked the moon landings" and "The CIA killed JFK" are two clear conspiracy theories that don't involve multinational-level conspirators.

So perhaps get your definitions clear. 'Conspiracy theorist' does not mean 'someone I disagree with because I am not interested in the same topics they are interested in'.

Proudly wrong as usual.

You are obviously insinuating that "a secret of great importance is being kept from the public," namely, that the Luton Airport Carpark Fire was caused or accelerated by an EV. So please explain to us again how you're not a conspiracy theorist.

 

[JayUtah]

Does anyone recall a second individual who was having that same problem with primes?

In Vixen’s version of the story, she schooled everyone else on what she believed was something only she knew. It takes a lot of confidence to “teach” from a position of obvious ignorance and insist that resulting confusion on the part of the “students” is somehow their collective fault.

ETA. And this is a problem because her whole “current affairs” discussion here is based on her trying to school everyone else in exactly the same manner: totally ignorant yet supremely confident.

 

[catsmate]

Oh come on. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak and his wife Akshata Murty, daughter of Infosys multi-billionaire, who came to be elected as an MP after he was introduced to then PM David Cameron by Indian President Modi, easily earn £2,000,000 in share dividends per annum alone without lifting a finger. Sunak has a company in the Cayman Islands (read: secrecy) and all of his assets are listed in the Parliamentary interest as being on a 'blind register'. Even Cameron and Boris Johnson never hid behind a 'blind register' as it is important for public servants in high places to be seen to be completely transparent, spotless and without conflicts of interest. Why would Sunak want to be in a high-stress job earning less than £200,000 per annum as UK Prime Minister other than to enhance his business interests. He has a whole fleet of Land Rover Jaguar vehicles and via his wife close links with Tata, who have been given all kinds of generous grants by the current PM to trade in the UK.

Of course the embargo on the cause of the Luton Airport car park fire is directly due to Sunak protecting his personal financial interests. Mark my words.


In the 2018 Liverpool ECHO car park fire we were told straight away what make the culprit vehicle was.

Oh jeebus, so much drivel in one paragraph. Start with what a 'blind trust' (note the second word ) actually is. And who, like Johnson (you're wrong there, as usual), use them.

 

[zooterkin]

Oh jeebus, so much drivel in one paragraph. Start with what a 'blind trust' (note the second word ) actually is. And who, like Johnson (you're wrong there, as usual), use them.

You'd think a chartered accountant would know what a blind trust was.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Oh jeebus, so much drivel in one paragraph. Start with what a 'blind trust' (note the second word ) actually is. And who, like Johnson (you're wrong there, as usual), use them.

Let's be honest the problem with Sunak isn't his holdings in the blind trust (although I think there are some concerns about how blind it actually is), but rather his interests that he does have full view of because they belong to his wife & FiL.

 

[SpitfireIX]

I guess you mean a blind trust, and not that he's fraudulently claiming a disability allowance.

I'm seriously starting to wonder whether someone's just winding us up. . . .

It also looks as if you think (or wish to imply) that a blind trust is a method of concealing assets. I know nothing whatever about accountancy or matters financial, but I do not think that is what they are.

I checked, and the type of blind trust that Sunak is using is similar to that that US politicians use. Straight from the horse's mouth:

An individual puts funds or assets into a trust on terms which allow the trustees to buy and sell trust assets as they see fit without informing the settlor. The purpose of such a trust is to allow a politician not to declare an interest in certain assets because they do not know at any time what assets are owned by the trust. The settlor may retain an interest or the trust may even be a bare trust in which the settlor remains absolutely entitled to the assets. In either case the trustees need give only sufficient details of income and gains to allow the settlor to complete a Self Assessment Tax Return. It is possible there are many bare blind trusts that HMRC [His Majesty's Revenue and Customs] would not be aware of because all income and gains are returned by the settlor on their personal Self Assessment Tax Return.​

The one grain of truth in Vixen's claim is that Sunak has been criticized by opposition parties for not being more transparent about his investments, but financial opacity is not a reason for using a blind trust.

 

[junkshop]

...So perhaps get your definitions clear. 'Conspiracy theorist' does not mean 'someone I disagree with because I am not interested in the same topics they are interested in'.

On what basis do you arrive at the conclusion that I am not interested in these topics? My posting in disagreement with your fanciful interpretations suggests that I am interested.

If I weren't, then I wouldn't bother to engage, surely?

I use ferries, cars & carparks. I have an interest in surviving this usage. I also have, by extention, an interest in the investigation of what went wrong when these things go wrong not being derailed by misinformation, conspiratorial ideation, or any other flavours of ********.

My disagreeing with your fantasies is not evidence of a lack of interest, indeed it is the very opposite.


You are correct when you write that "'Conspiracy theorist' does not mean 'someone I disagree with because I am not interested in the same topics they are interested in'.", but that is very clearly not what anyone here has meant when they have called you a conspiracy theorist.

 

[EHocking]

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For crying out loud, we are talking about a massive fire that destroyed up to 1,500 vehicles and collapsed an entire multi-storey modern airport car park within yards of an international airport, albeit mostly budget airlines.
…

I hesitate to ask, but of what relevance is the highlighted to your CT?

 

[novaphile]

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A conspiracy theory is one in which a mysterious cabal of people presume to want to rule the world.

...

So we can add 'conspiracy theory' to the incredibly long list of things that Vixen doesn't understand.