Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

[Steve]

So the answer is you cannot think of any. It is just another example of ad hominem.

JayUtah has both thought of and provided an accurate and complete answer to your request for a citation. Your entire body of work in this thread (and several others) leaves no room for doubt in any rational person's mind that you consistently and persistently promote conspiracies over all mundane and accurate explanations provided by persons with actual knowledge and experience in the topics under discussion.

 

[LondonJohn]

Citation, please.

As was also aptly inscribed on Sir Christopher Wren's tomb in St Paul's Cathedral:

"Lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice"

 

[LondonJohn]

So the answer is you cannot think of any. It is just another example of ad hominem.

You still don't properly understand what that phrase means, I see.......

 

[LondonJohn]

How can it have been downplayed when there wasn't an EV issue? The fire started in a diesel car.

I think Vixen's latest goalpost-shifting schtick might be that even if "car zero" was not an EV, the fire soon spread to one or more EVs and it was the ferocious conflagration of those secondary EVs which were the real problem here. Or some such bollocks.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I remarked that it appeared to be a lithium-ion fire from what people in the general public claiming to be familiar with such matters commented...

You cited people claiming to have worked at car dealerships and parking garages. There's nothing about those jobs that should make you conclude that they have the slightest expertise as to what "appears to be a Li-ion fire". You even defended this by saying how impressed you were with the salesman's knowledge when you bought your car (which you said you chose on Them the advice of your son because you don't know anything about cars). All a good car salesman needs to know is what all the buttons and knobs do, and the basic specs of the vehicle. I've known plenty of car salesman who wouldn't know the first thing about fixing them, let alone exactly what a Li-ion vs gasoline vs diesel car fire looks like.

...the speed of the fire and its sheer intensity, together with the floor collapsing.

You've been shown video demonstrating how fast a car can become engulfed in fire, and how intense that fire often is. So even if you had successfully demonstrated that the fire service was there as quickly as you say (and you didn't demonstrate that), it only takes a matter of a few minutes for a car to become engulfed in flames. The "sheer intensity" is a result of hundreds of other highly flammable vehicles being confined in close proximity to each other. The floor collapse is easily explained by the weakening of steel brackets caused by the fire. It's a common result of such fires.

You're just pretending to know that there's something suspicious about the incidents because that feeds your CT narrative and your pretense of being too clever to be fooled.

We have only be shown a small amount of CCTV...

Why would we expect 100% CCTV coverage of the garage?

...and have not been given any information as to the make, year and model of the vehicle concerned.

Other than actual images showing a particular generation of Land Rover Discovery, you mean?

We have been told it is a diesel-fueled vehicle with a fire that started in the engine bay due to a probable electrical fault but we really need to see the full report to understand why the Beds F&RS could not contain the fire.

No, we don't need to see the report to understand how a car fire could spread so fast in a matter of minutes. Your ignorance-based assumptions about how a car would catch fire and burn have already been corrected. You're attempts to place the fire service with water on the fire within a few minutes have been poorly reasoned.

1) Cars often become consumed in flames in a matter of a few minutes.

2) The fire service didn't just drive the huge pumper trucks up the ramps to the level where the burning car was no matter when they arrived.

I am sceptical it is as simple as they claim.

And your skepticism is based entirely on your pretension that you are knowledgeable enough to discern "anomalies" regarding the reported cause.

 

[Foster Zygote]

So you can't think of any.

Oh, for Christ's sake! You've literally implicated the British PM and his wife in your conspiracy theory.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Yes, but are you likely to accept the report when it comes out?

My psychic prediction is no.

 

[Steve]

Oh, for Christ's sake! You've literally implicated the British PM and his wife in your conspiracy theory.

(pssst!......You will soon be told that was a "joke")

 

[junkshop]

Citation, please.

OK. A non-exhaustive sample:

This ridiculous thread.

This ridiculous thread.

And, of course, your ridiculous contributions to this interminable thread.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

As was also aptly inscribed on Sir Christopher Wren's tomb in St Paul's Cathedral:

"Lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice"

Damn, you're good.

 

[JayUtah]

Seems like her entire opus at this forum, except perhaps for a side quest about apostrophes.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Anyone who thinks a fire in an enclosed, well ventilated, multifloor area containing multiple containers of highly flammable is, indeed explosive, liquid is ever'simple' is just broadcasting their ignorance.

 

[novaphile]

Anyone who thinks a fire in an enclosed, well ventilated, multifloor area containing multiple containers of highly flammable is, indeed explosive, liquid is ever'simple' is just broadcasting their ignorance.

A number of people have pointed out the incredible amount of embodied energy in a fuel tank full of petroleum products, but clearly nothing has sunk in.

I'm beginning to think that someone missed out on the most important advice parents can drill into their children:

"Be quiet and listen, when the adults are talking, you might learn something."

 

[zooterkin]

I think Vixen's latest goalpost-shifting schtick might be that even if "car zero" was not an EV, the fire soon spread to one or more EVs and it was the ferocious conflagration of those secondary EVs which were the real problem here. Or some such bollocks.

I'd rather wait and see what Vixen actually comes up with, rather than speculating, which has the effect of deflecting from the questions she's been asked (not to mention being unlikely to be anywhere near as wild as what she'll actually produce).

 

[Foster Zygote]

Seems like her entire opus at this forum, except perhaps for a side quest about apostrophes.

Well that's the crux of the biscuit.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

A number of people have pointed out the incredible amount of embodied energy in a fuel tank full of petroleum products, but clearly nothing has sunk in.

I'm beginning to think that someone missed out on the most important advice parents can drill into their children:

"Be quiet and listen, when the adults are talking, you might learn something."

I find that the worst mistake anyone can make on this forum is to assume that they are the cleverest person in the room, those who do normally have their mistake highlighted pretty quickly, even if they aren't able to realise it themselves. Even those who might claim the title are often trumped by specialised or practical knowledge of the situation under discussion,it's what's so good about this forum. Of course, the people who genuinely are that clever don't need to be defensive when someone else knows more on a specific subject.

 

[novaphile]

Well that's the crux of the biscuit.

Out through the night
An' the whispering breezes
To the place where they keep
The Imaginary Diseases...

 

[EHocking]

<fx> EHocking scans Vixen’s post for any content addressing the points made in his post. </fx>

<fx> EHocking snipping irrelevant content of onion on belt wearing. </fx>.

To reiterate, the Fast Stream process’s “success rate” is not the test’s pass rate that you continue to flex. You continued obfuscation in this thread only emphasises you're lack of understanding of the process and how shallow your perceived flex of your logic cognition was/is.

 

[phiwum]

I think Vixen's latest goalpost-shifting schtick might be that even if "car zero" was not an EV, the fire soon spread to one or more EVs and it was the ferocious conflagration of those secondary EVs which were the real problem here. Or some such bollocks.

Yes, but she has a problem. She previously used a still from the video of a car on fire (allegedly?) in the car park and claimed that car was (1) the initial car and (2) clearly a hybrid or EV.

Now she's given up on the claim it was an initial car (or should I say, "for now"?), but she'd like it to be evidence that a hybrid was involved and perhaps to blame for the destruction of a car park.

Sadly, the video doesn't show any other car on fire near the supposed hybrid. That's an issue. If it's not the initial car and it's not near another car on fire, then did it just coincidentally catch fire around the same time? In a similar location? Etc.

 

[Mojo]

Literally your entire opus at this forum.

The trouble is that, being a conspiracy theorist, Vixen lacks the critical thinking and logic skills to recognise the conspiracy theories she promotes as conspiracy theories. She thinks that, for example, Bill Clinton having Soviet-era military hardware smuggled from Estonia to Sweden because he wanted to be thought of as a “'Middle East Peacemaker' extraordinaire” is a perfectly reasonable idea.