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Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

Just checking in.
An informal poll, is there more free speech or less free speech in the west since Musk bought the platform?
People avoid binary yes no answers, but be brave and try.
 
Samson said:
Just checking in.
An informal poll, is there more free speech or less free speech in the west since Musk bought the platform?
People avoid binary yes no answers, but be brave and try.
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Less.

For example Media Matters being pursued in the courts for publishing a report X agrees was truthful and accurate (truthful and accurate according to X's lawsuit) but X didn't like. Actual legal cases have a chilling effect on organisations publishing truthful articles as they have to weigh in whether they can afford to defend themselves against a even groundless lawsuit.

How many times did Twitter file lawsuits against organisations publishing stories about Twitter it's owners didn't like prior to Musk's purchase?
 
Darat said:
Less.

For example Media Matters being pursued in the courts for publishing a report X agrees was truthful and accurate (truthful and accurate according to X's lawsuit) but X didn't like. Actual legal cases have a chilling effect on organisations publishing truthful articles as they have to weigh in whether they can afford to defend themselves against a even groundless lawsuit.

How many times did Twitter file lawsuits against organisations publishing stories about Twitter it's owners didn't like prior to Musk's purchase?
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Will answer properly later, I see people unbanned by Musk to first consider, it is complex.
 
Samson said:
Just checking in.
An informal poll, is there more free speech or less free speech in the west since Musk bought the platform?
People avoid binary yes no answers, but be brave and try.
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You want a binary answer to something that obviously isn't measurable?

Both you and Musk have made it abundantly clear that y'all only support free speech that you agree with. That means that you're raging hypocrites.
 
Samson said:
Will answer properly later, I see people unbanned by Musk to first consider, it is complex.
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Even with them added to the equation, less. In different directions than Darat pointed, Twitter was just better than X is on the free speech front. To point at two notable ways - the quality and the quantity of freely accessible content. To poke at an example of why for each, the credibility and trust issues that arose with the pay for checkmarks stuff fundamentally lowered the quality of free speech available via X. On the quantity side, the choice to restrict the ability to access threads for people not signed in alone greatly outweighed the effects on free speech of unbanning a miniscule percentage of problem posters.
 
varwoche said:
Both you and Musk have made it abundantly clear that y'all only support free speech that you agree with. That means that you're raging hypocrites.
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it's really that simple too. if you recognize, like old twitter management or most normal people, that to have a functional website that you need to moderate the users.

elon musk and the free speechers say they don't need to moderate the content and, well amongst many other crazy and dishonest things, that they were being oppressed. then he bought the site and started running it his way, which instead of simply being principled but wrong was unfortunately, and almost so immediately it was comical, moderating the content in a way that was more pleasing to him.

which is the part that makes people like samson just as bad as musk. this isn't a principled stance, you're using that as a mask for your real motives and it's dishonest.
 
Samson said:
Just checking in.
An informal poll, is there more free speech or less free speech in the west since Musk bought the platform?
People avoid binary yes no answers, but be brave and try.
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Less.

What's with the abrupt drop in fluency?
 
Darat said:
Less.

For example Media Matters being pursued in the courts for publishing a report X agrees was truthful and accurate (truthful and accurate according to X's lawsuit) but X didn't like. Actual legal cases have a chilling effect on organisations publishing truthful articles as they have to weigh in whether they can afford to defend themselves against a even groundless lawsuit.

How many times did Twitter file lawsuits against organisations publishing stories about Twitter it's owners didn't like prior to Musk's purchase?
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Less.
TwiX is attempting to silence journalists who produce inconvenient facts.
 
Darat said:
"...and a court order that would reinstate her on the hit series...."

What they would have to redo the whole season to add her "back" in?
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Or they could write in the charecter and the kill her off in the first episode she is in.
I note they replaced the C arino charecter in the Mando series with another
'Woman Warrior" charecter.
 
catsmate said:
Criticise TwiX and get suspended.
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/...suspended-after-writing-critique-of-platform/

Ah, "free speech". :rolleyes:
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I despise Musk and what he had done with Twitter, but he has a prefect right to decide what he allows on X. And people who disagree have a prefect right to drop the service.
And, yes, I don't want the government telling media what ican and cannot say.
We have gone that route, and it always ends with the death of free speech.
 
catsmate said:
Less.
TwiX is attempting to silence journalists who produce inconvenient facts.
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TeiX is not the government. What don't you understand about that?
I despise Twist for doing that, but think trying to use the power of the state to force them to put the jounalist back on is a case of the cure being worse then the disease.
 
dudalb said:
TeiX is not the government. What don't you understand about that?
I despise Twist for doing that, but think trying to use the power of the state to force them to put the jounalist back on is a case of the cure being worse then the disease.
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You do understand that nobody is arguing against Musk having the right to do what he likes with his property, right? We're discussing the rank hypocrisy of his claim to be all about unfettered free speech while his actions frequently give lie to that claim.

It's possible you need to do some homework, reading through this thread and its prequel.
 
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Babbylonian said:
You do understand that nobody is arguing against Musk having the right to do what he likes with his property, right? We're discussing the rank hypocrisy of his claim to be all about unfettered free speech while his actions frequently give lie to that claim.

It's possible you need to do some homework, reading through this thread and its prequel.
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I don't think you can have lower opinion of Musk then I do.
His now openly rooting for Putin just does the impossible: Made my opinion of musk even lower.
 
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