All Hail Taylor Swift, Person of the Year!

Fast Eddie B said:
How bold of you to suggest they suspend their First Amendment rights to free speech.
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People choosing for themselves what to say and when to say it is the epitome of free speech. People deciding that what they're about to say is stupid and won't land well with their audience, and not saying it after all, is the epitome of free speech.
 
If nothing else this thread should teach us that just because we ourselves aren't aware of something doesn't mean it's not a huge thing millions of other people are very interested in. I'm sure there were plenty of people in the 60s who had no idea The Beatles were a big deal to others. And there are people reading this now who don't even know who Anita Doth is!
 
TragicMonkey said:
If nothing else this thread should teach us that just because we ourselves aren't aware of something doesn't mean it's not a huge thing millions of other people are very interested in. I'm sure there were plenty of people in the 60s who had no idea The Beatles were a big deal to others. And there are people reading this now who don't even know who Anita Doth is!
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I'm taking the message as that if Taylor Swift posted that she didn't like Iowa, her zombie horde would unthinkingly wipe it off the map. Not that we really need it per se, but it has a lot of corn or potatoes or something.
 
Samson said:
As a hypothesis, I suggest the world would be better if actors musos and sports people shut up about politics except where they are directly affected.
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If artists started being nonpolitical today, it would be the first time in the history of art.
 
theprestige said:
America has a controlling interest in just about every economic, commercial, diplomatic, and military institution in the world. POTUS is the chief executive of all of those interests. His influence does not end at the US border. It's global, and it's almost certainly bigger, globally, than anyone else's.
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Yes yes we know, America is the most important country in the world and everybody should bow before it.

And you accuse me of cultural bigotry.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Does it work both ways? Would you like Trump to not tell anybody what he thinks about anyone who isn't a politician?
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Heck, by that kind of reasoning Trump should have never gotten into politics after being in show business.
 
Thermal said:
I'm taking the message as that if Taylor Swift posted that she didn't like Iowa, her zombie horde would unthinkingly wipe it off the map. Not that we really need it per se, but it has a lot of corn or potatoes or something.
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It is a gift to the foes of Iowa! Why not use this power?
 
plague311 said:
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She's stood up to recording studios, including re-recording her entire catalog to get out from under their thumb...
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I have no dog in the Taylor Swift is amazing/the devil fight.

This is the only bit of cultural zeitgeist about it that gets my hackles, though.

She's had an army of support to get where she is. Award winning writers and producers gave input all through her career.

She turned the very typical fact that an artist who wants to get pushed on radio and go on world tours doesn't get sole credit and all the money into some kind of 'woe is me' story.

She's gotten millions of fans to buy music they already bought 10 years ago a second time to "support her" in "reclaiming her music." Yes, you had producers and writers who've launched dozens of people to stardom, but it was all you scribbling lyrics in a little torn up notebook and the big bad corporations are stealing your baby...so I guess I'll buy another album?

It's the same "bootstrap" ******** we hear from the "self-made" crowd, just with dusky eyeshadow and red lipstick.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If nothing else this thread should teach us that just because we ourselves aren't aware of something doesn't mean it's not a huge thing millions of other people are very interested in. I'm sure there were plenty of people in the 60s who had no idea The Beatles were a big deal to others. And there are people reading this now who don't even know who Anita Doth is!
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Yep!

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When The Beatles received MBEs, people couldn’t believe the musicians got the honor. Papers and media outlets debated whether or not they deserved them, with many outlets covering the story with scorn. Many previous MBE recipients felt the same way. George Read, a member of the Coast Guard, wrote a letter to the palace.

“I am so disgusted with the Beatles being given this award that I am considering sending mine back,” he wrote, per the book The Beatles: The Biography by Bob Spitz.

Others didn’t just threaten to return their MBEs. War hero Paul Pearson sent his back with a note stating that “its meaning seems to be worthless” now that The Beatles had one. Hector Dupois, a former member of Canada’s House of Commons, sent his back decrying the “superior authority’s wish to honor sorry fellows with whom I have no desire whatever to be associated.”
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Of course later on, John Lennon presumably realized they were right and returned his.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I have no dog in the Taylor Swift is amazing/the devil fight.

This is the only bit of cultural zeitgeist about it that gets my hackles, though.

She's had an army of support to get where she is. Award winning writers and producers gave input all through her career.

She turned the very typical fact that an artist who wants to get pushed on radio and go on world tours doesn't get sole credit and all the money into some kind of 'woe is me' story.
She's gotten millions of fans to buy music they already bought 10 years ago a second time to "support her" in "reclaiming her music." Yes, you had producers and writers who've launched dozens of people to stardom, but it was all you scribbling lyrics in a little torn up notebook and the big bad corporations are stealing your baby...so I guess I'll buy another album?

It's the same "bootstrap" ******** we hear from the "self-made" crowd, just with dusky eyeshadow and red lipstick.
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Okay, I don't know anything about this, so just looked it up. It seems that someone bought the masters of her recordings while buying the company that originally owned them, and that after that, she wasn't able to use the recordings in documentaries and awards shows etc... unless she presumably paid what the new owners demanded.

So she re-recorded them to avoid being beholden to the new owner.

I don't see that as anything like your characterization. That said I have only skimmed the details and maybe it was written by her legion of devotees, so who knows....
 
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