Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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catsmate said:
I have waht is technically known as a "sense of humour", you may be aware of the concept? Albeit obviously only in a theoretical sense....
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Vixen' awareness of the concept of a sense of humor is equal to Vixen's awareness of the concept of a primary source. Nothing is funny unless the BBC tells her it is.
 
Vixen said:
'Unequivocally' is your invention.
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No, it isn't. It's an adverb that means 'in a way that leaves no doubt', which is what the official fire service report on the incident does when it states, unequivocally, that the fire started in a diesel vehicle. You're the only one sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALAL!" regarding that fact. You're desperately clinging to an earlier statement made before the parking garage had even cooled, because you need it to be a conspiracy to hide the involvement of an electric or electric hybrid vehicle so that you can feel you're too smart to be fooled.

Look at this video again, remembering what a lithium-ion fire looks like and where located in a vehicle.
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You have yet to establish any parameters for making an empirical analysis of what different kinds of fires would look like in those precise circumstances. All of your armchair photo analysis is absolute ********, for reasons already mentioned. You even tried to claim that an image of the diesel car taken from the front was incorrectly positioned relative to the markings on the ramp, when all it took was a straight piece of paper to prove, through the miracle of perspective, that you were completely wrong. You even mistook the interaction of your own equilibrium and the camera orientation for actual slope of the ramp.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Jesus christ I wasn't asking because I don't know, I was asking if YOU know.
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Well "primary" means "first". So that would be the first people to claim to know there was something fishy going on - the self-identified experts from the field of garage and dealership employment commenting on the Daily Mail site.
 
Vixen said:
In this digital age...
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And here begins what's likely to be 20 pages of Vixen to try to convice everyone she didn't overlook the fact that a press conference is not the same thing as a press release.

I can hardly wait. <sigh>
 
Vixen said:
Not even the GUARDIAN claims...
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The Guardian is not the authority for such information. If someone wants to employ editorial discretion in their own publication, that's their business. It doesn't change the authority of a primary source. This is basic journalism and basic historical method.
 
Vixen said:
... Andrew Hopkinson, Beds Fire & Rescue Chief, is quoted verbatim with the same phrases in news outlets throughout the world, because they are all reading the same press release and they know this press release is authentic, a primary source and reliable.
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I invite you to review Andrew Hopkinson talking to the press here and ask yourself whether he is reading out a prepared press release and whether key journalists are asking him questions:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67073446

Blatantly neither of these things is happening.

He is talking off the cuff and simply explaining what happened to the journalists who were present. The tale you are spinning of key journalists asking questions and everyone else getting the printed press release handout is simply a creation of your imagination to protect yourself from any intrusive thoughts that you were indeed in error to conflate what Hopkinson said with a press release.
 
Vixen said:
Stop lying that you know better than the BBC.
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This is absurd. We can read what the fire service says. Straight from the horse's mouth. You're now taking the line that nothing is real unless the BBC tells you it happened.

How many journalists should the BBC dedicate to following and reporting on the minutiae of stories you personally happen to have fixated on?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Vixen, what is a primary source, and what is a secondary source?

Can you answer any of the other questions I've put to you instead of just rudely ignoring me again?

You've still failed to find any proof of diesel to hybrid conversions for example, despite providing three separate websites that did not do that as if they did.
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Vixen said:
Wiki is your friend.
In journalism, a primary source can be a person with direct knowledge of a situation, or a document written by such a person.[1]

Primary sources are distinguished from secondary sources, which cite, comment on, or build upon primary sources. Generally, accounts written after the fact with the benefit of hindsight are secondary.
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So, according to that, which of these is a primary source for statements by the Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service?

a) The Independent newspaper reporting what was said at a press conference, or

b) The Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service website?
 
Vixen said:
'Unequivocally' is your invention.
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There's no qualification or equivocation in the statement from the fire department. It's quite correct to characterize it as "unequivocal." You're the one frantically trying to say things like they might have mean a hybrid when they said diesel.

Look at this video again...
Do you really need a subeditor to tell you what you are looking at?
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The interpretation of photographs and video does indeed require specialized skill and knowledge that you don't appear to have. The misinterpretation of photographic evidence is a big part of many conspiracy theories.
 
Vixen said:
Re the conclusion: I don't know whether it is in error or on purpose but it is technically incorrect, for whatever reason.
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It is not incorrect in any way, it's you that has decided to ignore it so you can keep trolling people because as we know the Fire Service has told us that it was a diesel car that caused the fire.
 
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Vixen said:
A press release is something that is released...to the press. Unless you are the press you don't get the memo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_release
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A press release might be a primary source but when the organisation then updates their information the press release is no longer relevant as it is out of date.
Like in this case where the original statement to the press has been superseded by a later announcement that the fire was caused by a diesel.
 
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Vixen said:
Yes, did you note the final sentence in the first paragraph?:

"When a fire ripped through a car park at Luton airport last month it set off a round of speculation that an electric vehicle was to blame. The theory was quickly doused by the Bedfordshire fire service, which said the blaze appeared to have started in a diesel car."

Not even the GUARDIAN claims 'it has been confirmed' or 'determined', it correctly states this is simply speculation as of this stage and there has been no further updates to this since.
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But the fire service involved do claim it was a diesel car that started it.
They have released a statement via their official website.
 
Vixen said:
Stop lying that you know better than the BBC.
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We know better then you at least.

We know that the fire service have confirmed that it was a diesel car that started the fire. You can read it on their official website.

It doesn't matter what the BBC say, they are a secondary source.
 
Vixen said:
'Unequivocally' is your invention.

Look at this video again, remembering what a lithium-ion fire looks like and where located in a vehicle.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccF4xOk5ruY

Do you really need a subeditor to tell you what you are looking at?
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You haven't established where the battery would be on a hybrid version and you have no expertise to tell us what a Li-ion fire should look like. And if it was a homemade conversion job, how would you have the first clue on where they put the battery?
 
Vixen said:
'Unequivocally' is your invention.

Look at this video again, remembering what a lithium-ion fire looks like and where located in a vehicle.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccF4xOk5ruY

Do you really need a subeditor to tell you what you are looking at?
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It is unequivocal because that is what the fire service tell us. They say it was a diesel car that started the fire. Where is there anything equivocal in their statement?

Where is a 'subeditor' telling us anything? We aren't getting anything from a newspaper or the press. we can read the direct statement of the fire service that it was a diesel car.
 
Vixen said:
Wiki is your friend.
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Yes, we have a primary source, the fire service involved in putting the fire out that it was a diesel car that started it.

We don't need to refer to any secondary sources for this information. No TV channels or newspapers need to be consulted.
 
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