Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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He is a politician.


Make of that what you will.

Asserting that politicians always lie is as ridiculous as asserting that they never lie. It's a tactic used to attempt to mask one's ignorance and lack of solid evidence.

And what are you arguing now, regarding this unrelated incident? Are we seeing a deeper psychological phenomenon, wherein you wait to see what an investigation has to say, then insist that the opposite is true? Regarding Luton, the investigation first determined that it was likely a diesel vehicle, then said it was definitely a diesel vehicle. Regarding the LA I-10 fire, the investigation said it was probably arson. So are you positioning yourself to start another conspiracy theory that the arson explanation is a cover up for something else?
 
This is likely to take at least four months, given that is how long it took to bring out the report into the Liverpool ECHO fire.

Your specious pleadings that it has already been concluded does not succeed.

Your frantic pleading that we cannot already know the type of car in which the fire originated is desperate, ignorant, and wrong.
 
Your talking Edward Learian nonsense doesn't turn it into a conspiracy theory.
Turn what into a conspiracy theory?

The I-10 fire? I haven't claimed that there's any conspiracy.

The Luton garage fire? You're the only one arguing that there's a conspiracy to hide the alleged involvement of a Li-ion battery in the cause of that fire.

A fire did happen at Luton Airport Car Park and the Fire Brigade are investigating and writing the conventional report. This is likely to take at least four months, given that is how long it took to bring out the report into the Liverpool ECHO fire.
They have already stated unequivocally that the fire started in a diesel car. That alone doesn't mean the investigation is closed, as there are still more questions to be answered, such as how the fire started in that diesel car. But the part that is relevant to the discussion in this thread has been settled. It was a diesel car.

Your specious pleadings that it has already been concluded does not succeed.
It has already been confirmed that it was a diesel car.
 
Asserting that politicians always lie is as ridiculous as asserting that they never lie. It's a tactic used to attempt to mask one's ignorance and lack of solid evidence.

And what are you arguing now, regarding this unrelated incident? Are we seeing a deeper psychological phenomenon, wherein you wait to see what an investigation has to say, then insist that the opposite is true? Regarding Luton, the investigation first determined that it was likely a diesel vehicle, then said it was definitely a diesel vehicle. Regarding the LA I-10 fire, the investigation said it was probably arson. So are you positioning yourself to start another conspiracy theory that the arson explanation is a cover up for something else?

Stop trying to change the subject. In an almost exact analogy to the Luton Airport Car Park Fire, Governor Newsom said of the LA Highway no. 10 fire, 'At this preliminary stage, it looks like arson', and all of the news outlet sub-editors, including the major news broadcasters, have shorthanded this to 'LA 10 Fire was arson, Gov Newsom confirms'. But the Fire Marshall said they are still investigating this avenue; they have found the place of origin and what seems to have caused the fire, together with needing to carry on interviewing homeless people who lived there (according to yesterday's latest update).

Now, this is based on previous experience of LA under-bridge fires - normally they can be traced to homeless persons, illegally and dangerously accessing electric power cables or anti-social behaviour. California has said that the lessee was in arrears with the lease. The property was piled up to the gills with inflammable materials (wooden pallets and hand sanitisers): another line of enquiry.

Since there is no report of any other possible cause for the fire then of course looking at historical causes of such fires is understandable and makes perfect sense. History says normal fire (as there is spalling of the concrete but repairs can be effected in as early as three weeks) so nothing extraordinary here. Fair assumption.

Likewise, with the Luton Airport Car Park Fire, the fire chief clearly stated - probably based on the previous Liverpool ECHO fire - that they don't believe it was an electric vehicle but it was believed to be a diesel one at this stage subject to verification. A later fire officer gave the opinion that it was likely a fuel-line leak, an opinion surely based on what happened at Liverpool but something he can't know for sure at this stage as the building was still smouldering as he spoke. Cars are still being salvaged, some are likely to be demolished with the remainder of the building. Firemen cannot enter as it is too dangerous, unlike at the Liverpool Car Park. So, yes, a fair assumption to make but it is not a confirmation.

I can recommend a course in content analysis which is useful for deciphering what articles are actually saying. With a lot of persuaders and influencers (aka advertising and marketing) and with people relying heavily on summaries and sound bites IMV it is important for people to understand what is being communicated. It is the same as the art of being a good listener. As an example of what people fail to hear is when I did training as a phoneline counsellor. Parents at the end of their tether rang in for help. The guy training us played us a tape of someone who said they wanted to kill themselves in between a load of other stuff. Almost to a person, counsellors missed that bit and failed to address it, either because it is uncomfortable to hear or because they just did not hear it. But it was important here because you have to hear it and address it, because as a counsellor, you can take action and save a life by discussing it further and offering real help. In other words, to be a good listener or a good reader, you need to note every word, not just the ones that leap out. This is one of the deficits of 'Plain English' because it doesn't always make clear the qualifiers and the disclaimers inherent in a public statement. Many a news headline should be suffixed with 'it is believed' or the other lazy way out, is to put a headline in quotation marks.

Either way, it is important to understand that the fire needs to be investigated. There are no instant answers as to the cause, only speculation and fair assumptions, based on previous history of similar fires. As a fire report takes several months to prepare, then someone who wants to understand how the fire started and how it progressed will wait to see this. Others are not interested and that is fine, too. However, it is a blatant lie to claim that the cause of the fire has been confirmed as of day one or even any time before the report is out.

This has zero to do with conspiracy theory but people who do not understand the concept of investigation who want to browbeat one into accepting their instant lazy, unthought-out answer based on trying to bend people to their will.
 
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This has zero to do with conspiracy theory but people who do not understand the concept of investigation who want to browbeat one into accepting their instant lazy, unthought-out answer based on trying to bend people to their will.

The best part of my day is when you try to Vixensplain my profession to me and everyone else.

Mile three and counting.
 
Turn what into a conspiracy theory?

The I-10 fire? I haven't claimed that there's any conspiracy.

The Luton garage fire? You're the only one arguing that there's a conspiracy to hide the alleged involvement of a Li-ion battery in the cause of that fire.


They have already stated unequivocally that the fire started in a diesel car. That alone doesn't mean the investigation is closed, as there are still more questions to be answered, such as how the fire started in that diesel car. But the part that is relevant to the discussion in this thread has been settled. It was a diesel car.


It has already been confirmed that it was a diesel car.

"Believed to be a diesel car" is the verbatim accredited quote. Learn to understand what was actually said.
 
"Believed to be a diesel car" is the verbatim accredited quote. Learn to understand what was actually said.

It has been officially confirmed by the fire service that it was a diesel car.
You can read the confirmation on their official website.
 
can recommend a course in content analysis which is useful for deciphering what articles are actually saying.

No. Most of your schtick seems to be deliberately misinterpreting, misunderstanding, or just plain failing to carefully read media reports and other sources you cite. You are not a reliable reporter, and you're definitely not the teacher.
 
"Believed to be a diesel car" is the verbatim accredited quote. Learn to understand what was actually said.

"Accredited" to whom? Learn to understand who's doing the saying and where they got their information.

Your unswerving reliance on garbled secondary sources is really funny. Sad, in a way, but funny.
 
No. Most of your schtick seems to be deliberately misinterpreting, misunderstanding, or just plain failing to carefully read media reports and other sources you cite. You are not a reliable reporter, and you're definitely not the teacher.

You claimed that Gov Newsom confirmed the LA 10 fire was arson. I strongly urge you go back and read what he said in full - and what the fire marshall said - and admit no such thing had been 'confirmed' (as of yesterday's date).
 
You claimed that Gov Newsom confirmed the LA 10 fire was arson.

Nope.

I strongly urge you go back and read what he said in full...

I strongly urge you to go back and read what I said in full, and contemplate that you're the only one who thought I wanted to talk about the I-10 fire.

For all the hay you're trying to make, you really are doing a very good job of demonstrating that you have very poor comprehension skills. Maybe you shouldn't be trying to lecture everyone else on yet another topic you know so very little about.
 
"Accredited" to whom? Learn to understand who's doing the saying and where they got their information.

Your unswerving reliance on garbled secondary sources is really funny. Sad, in a way, but funny.

A reputable news outlet will always provide the source of the information. All of them, including the BBC, cite Fire Chief for Bedfordshire, Andrew Hopkinson as saying:

Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service revealed on Wednesday morning the cause of the blaze was a diesel car.

“We don’t believe it was an electric vehicle,” Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said.

“It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification. And then that fire has quickly and rapidly spread.”
INDEPENDENT


Yet not withstanding its own disclaimer, the INDEPENDENT's headline for the same aforesaid article reads:

"Luton Airport fire: Cause of car park inferno that damaged 1,500 vehicles revealed"


And it is this that people like yourself seize on.

My advice: to determine whether information is reliable, seek a reliable source. Anyone can write shorthand 'Plain English' stuff anonymously on a webpage but do seek out the original - accredited - source for yourself instead of spreading false information that the cause of the Luton Car Park Fire has been concluded when it is still being investigated.


Likewise, do you have a verified source as to the registration number of catsmate's alleged culprit car? No, I thought not!
 
A reputable news outlet will always provide the source of the information.

Irrelevant. If a secondary source like news outlet uses the word "believed" but more authoritative primary sources use "confirmed," the language of the secondary source is their editorial choice, not a superseding fact. You rely on secondary sources not because they tell a more authoritative story, but because they use language that cultivates your conspiracy theory at the expense of fact.

And it is this that people like yourself seize on.

No. Everyone but you is citing primary sources.

My advice...

Yes! Vixensplain some more for me! You know what I want to hear.
 
A reputable news outlet will always provide the source of the information. All of them, including the BBC, cite Fire Chief for Bedfordshire, Andrew Hopkinson as saying:

INDEPENDENT


Yet not withstanding its own disclaimer, the INDEPENDENT's headline for the same aforesaid article reads:

"Luton Airport fire: Cause of car park inferno that damaged 1,500 vehicles revealed"


And it is this that people like yourself seize on.

My advice: to determine whether information is reliable, seek a reliable source. Anyone can write shorthand 'Plain English' stuff anonymously on a webpage but do seek out the original - accredited - source for yourself instead of spreading false information that the cause of the Luton Car Park Fire has been concluded when it is still being investigated.


Likewise, do you have a verified source as to the registration number of catsmate's alleged culprit car? No, I thought not!

He's not a Fire Chief as this isn't America.
Since the initial statement there has been confirmation from the fire service that it was a diesel car.
 
"Believed to be a diesel car" is the verbatim accredited quote. Learn to understand what was actually said.

It's a quote, but it's certainly not the only quote, and it's the not the quote everyone else is referring to. We know that, you know that too, so why do you waste your time trying and failing to gaslight everyone like this?
 
A reputable news outlet ...

... is a secondary source. The Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service is a primary source for what the Befordshire Fire and Rescue Service says.

There is no aspect of this trivial concept you can honestly fail to grasp. What conclusion do you think people should draw from your continuing rejection of what they say on their own website?
 
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