Cont: Luton Airport Car Park Fire part II

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Jack by the hedge said:
I'm not familiar with Range Rover layout but it's not typical for a fuel tank to dangle below a car's cabin floor level. They tend to be raised up above the floor pan level, just behind the cabin. And you already told us I think that the hybrid battery is placed at the front, on the passenger side, and presumably inside the engine compartment since this hybrid version is built from what is otherwise a normal Range Rover body.

So, would that imaginary shrapnel not have to pierce the steel floor pan, soundproofing wadding and carpet, pass through the cabin at low level, pierce the carpet, padding and steel floor pan again and then enter the diesel tank?

If that's what lithium car fires are like can you show us videos of these terrifying fragmentation devices in action? If a burning EV typically fires burning projectiles which can penetrate multiple layers of steel, I think we need to know.
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Cut straight to 6:57 to see how a couple of power tool lithium-ion batteries flame throw shrapnel at high velocity. Then imagine a lithium car battery several times more powerful than that and you get an idea of how it got so noxious, intensely hot and extensively spreading so quickly.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1j9TUV5coc&t=495s
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I'm not familiar with Range Rover layout but it's not typical for a fuel tank to dangle below a car's cabin floor level. They tend to be raised up above the floor pan level, just behind the cabin. And you already told us I think that the hybrid battery is placed at the front, on the passenger side, and presumably inside the engine compartment since this hybrid version is built from what is otherwise a normal Range Rover body.

So, would that imaginary shrapnel not have to pierce the steel floor pan, soundproofing wadding and carpet, pass through the cabin at low level, pierce the carpet, padding and steel floor pan again and then enter the diesel tank?

If that's what lithium car fires are like can you show us videos of these terrifying fragmentation devices in action? If a burning EV typically fires burning projectiles which can penetrate multiple layers of steel, I think we need to know.
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And the documentation that I found says/shows that the battery is not in the engine compartment, but under the seats. If she is claiming it is a home conversion job, she would have to show what was removed from the engine compartment to make room for this battery.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
I'm not familiar with Range Rover layout but it's not typical for a fuel tank to dangle below a car's cabin floor level.
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Design requirements for wheeled motor vehicle fuel tanks require a physical arrangement that directs any leakage to the ground, rather than allowing it to accumulate on any structure or surface of the vehicle. This is why you find them at the lowest point in many vehicle designs.
 
Vixen said:
Cut straight to 6:57 to see how a couple of power tool lithium-ion batteries flame throw shrapnel at high velocity. Then imagine a lithium car battery several times more powerful than that and you get an idea of how it got so noxious, intensely hot and extensively spreading so quickly.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1j9TUV5coc&t=495s
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.......... UNDER IMMENSE PRESSURE FROM A HYDRALUIC PRESS!

:rolleyes:
 
Vixen said:
Cut straight to 6:57 to see how a couple of power tool lithium-ion batteries flame throw shrapnel at high velocity.
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...while being squashed by a powerful hydraulic press. A block of concrete will do the same thing—in a powerful hydraulic press. (Damn; ninjaed...)
 
JayUtah said:
...while being squashed by a powerful hydraulic press. A block of concrete will do the same thing—in a powerful hydraulic press. (Damn; ninjaed...)
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That channel features video of all sorts of items and materials exploding quite violently and satisfyingly after being put under the press.

Batteries in consumer home tools explode and throw out shrapnel when put under an industrial press, so therefore batteries in electrical vehicles explode when they're on fire and not in a hydraulic press? :confused:
 
Vixen said:
https://90newstime.com/index.php/2023/10/11/a473695827-html/?feed_id=97234&_unique_id=654ca304c9fa2


Don't say I didn't warn you about the dodgy link.
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It's the same wording as reported in many places. It includes the words:

“We were on the plane and we had started to move when the pilot came on and said that he couldn’t go any further,” she recalls. “He said he’d have to go back. We ended up sitting on the plane for about two hours. I was on Twitter looking at updates and I couldn’t believe what I was seeing."

My bolding. Seems you didn't read your own source.
 
Vixen said:
Yes, and what normally triggers diesel to ignite? Pressure.
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So what you are telling me is, is that Diesel fuel also ignites when under pressure :thumbsup: ;)

ETA: of course when its used in an ICE its in aerosol form at the time, but whatever you don't care about facts, or details, or reality.
 
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JayUtah said:
Wow, this is the stupidest attempt at rehabilitating a nonsensical claim I've ever seen. It's fractally wrong.
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I'm hoping the offered explanation is funnier than the attempt to explain list angles. I think it might be.
 
Vixen said:
Cut straight to 6:57 to see how a couple of power tool lithium-ion batteries flame throw shrapnel at high velocity. Then imagine a lithium car battery several times more powerful than that and you get an idea of how it got so noxious, intensely hot and extensively spreading so quickly.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1j9TUV5coc&t=495s
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It was a diesel car. No lithium shrapnel.

It's been confirmed by the fire brigade.
 
Vixen said:
Intensity of heat.
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NHTSA said:
The propensity and severity of fires and explosions from the accidental ignition of flammable electrolytic solvents used in Li-ion battery systems are anticipated to be somewhat comparable to or perhaps slightly less than those for gasoline or diesel vehicular fuels. The overall consequences for Li-ion batteries are expected to be less because of the much smaller amounts of flammable solvent released and burning in a catastrophic failure situation.

- Stephens, D.; Shawcross, P.; et, al. (October 2017). "Lithium-ion battery safety issues for electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles" (Report No. DOT HS 812 418). Washington, DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
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You're like some Apollo hoaxer going on about the Van Allen radiation belts, with a completely overblown misconception of the phenomenon. Li-ion battery packs don't have Michael Bay style antimatter meltdowns like you obviously imagine. They don't melt through concrete floors and consume whole parking garages like some runaway fusion reaction. Li-ion batteries are hard to extinguish, but they don't burn any worse than an ICE vehicle. Ironically, for your argument, diesel burns hotter than gasoline, making the diesel Land Rover you're trying to dismiss as harmless about the worst thing that could have caught fire in that location, especially if it had a fairly full fuel tank.
 
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