Luton Airport Car Park Fire

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Vixen said:
Lawyers deal in binding contracts and get-out clauses. Range Rover lawyers will be working overtime to get-out of this. 'The Fire Brigade never said it was a Range Rover what done it,' will be their line.

It'll be pinned on the driver.
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If it was a brand new car, you might have something close to a point (but the police and fire service would still not be telling lies about the car). The diesel car was at least 10 years old, there's plenty of things that could have happened to it in the meantime to explain the fire starting.
 
Vixen said:
Poor maintenance. Messing with the electrics. Driving it into a packed car park when you know it is on fire.
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Driving it into a packed car park when you know it is on fire is not a case where the initial fire is due to driver error.

I wonder why on October 23, the fire brigade explicitly said the fire was caused by vehicle fault. Seems like they haven't set up the driver error excuse very well.

And do you suppose that the final report will lie and blame driver error even though the cause was vehicle fault?
 
phiwum said:
Very nice. Much better than my reply.
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I couldn't tell if your reply was meant to suggest authoritativeness or an adventurous first date.

Eta: ninja'd by Mr PJ Denyer while phone found it necessary to install updates RIGHT THAT VERY ******* SECOND
 
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Vixen said:
Police won't care. It'll be Prime Minster Rishi Sunak and his wife not wanting anything to besmirch the Tata brand. Imagine if the Range Rover had a dud lithium battery, albeit a mild hybrid, just as they are champing at the bit to build a factory of the things...? Of course, Rish! wouldn't lie. It'd just be an 'inadvertent' oversight that he forgot to state his wife's interests. Whoops. He did it again. Silly him.
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If you could just keep your fantasies to yourself, and confine yourself to the real world, where the car was a diesel, not a hybrid, so your flight of fancy is completely irrelevant.
 
Vixen said:
He will have liaised closely with the police. Clearly he was told not to name the brand of car.
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Mojo said:
Why would the police be concerned about this?
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Vixen said:
In this type of incident the police would liaise with the regional fire brigade, which has the ultimate responsibility of bringing out the official fire report. As blame apportioning is involved then of course the police are involved at an early stage.
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Mojo said:
Doesn't answer the question. Why would the police be concerned about the make of the car being named by the fire brigade?
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Vixen said:
Police won't care.
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So why would they tell the "fire chief" not to name the brand of car?
 
phiwum said:
Driving it into a packed car park when you know it is on fire is not a case where the initial fire is due to driver error.

I wonder why on October 23, the fire brigade explicitly said the fire was caused by vehicle fault. Seems like they haven't set up the driver error excuse very well.

And do you suppose that the final report will lie and blame driver error even though the cause was vehicle fault?
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If the driver had to leap out of a burning car sharpish then it is stating the Bleedin' Obvious to state it appears to be a 'vehicle fault'. Again, you have very carefully been told nothing at all. Yet you believe you know all about it.
 
Vixen said:
The Liverpool car park fire was deemed to have been caused by a running burning fuel line between initially a couple of rows of cars and then...
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Just before I wade through the rest of your doubtless gripping and incisive account of the famous Liverpool fire, can I suggest that you appear to have misconstrued what the term 'fuel line' refers to?

A fuel line is a pipe which delivers fuel from the fuel tank to the engine (or returns unused fuel, depending on the type of fuel system). You seem to imagine a 'fuel line' is a rivulet of fuel flowing on the ground. It is not.

You're welcome.
 
Vixen said:
If as is feared they are a fire hazard when they do catch fire, albeit less frequently than petrol or diesel or even hybrids then it does become a political issue. People don't care about the cobalt mining by young children in third world countries but if any potential hazard is nearer to home then the government may be forced to relook at safety standards in public places.

You can be all for Net Zero and clean air whilst also being a supporter of safety standards. They are not mutually exclusive.
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OK, but...wouldn't police and firefighters be highly incentivized to call attention to a potentially dangerous vehicle? They are the ones who have to fight it and drag out the bodies, when applicable. Seems like a stellar opportunity for all involved to jump up and say "howzabout we get together and nip this puppy in the bud before the bodies start racking up like cordwood?"
 
Vixen said:
If the driver had to leap out of a burning car sharpish then it is stating the Bleedin' Obvious to state it appears to be a 'vehicle fault'. Again, you have very carefully been told nothing at all. Yet you believe you know all about it.
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Only if you stick your fingers in your ears and shout "La la la" every time someone actually does tell you something.

What is your aim in starting this thread and ignoring all the evidence?
 
zooterkin said:
If you could just keep your fantasies to yourself, and confine yourself to the real world, where the car was a diesel, not a hybrid, so your flight of fancy is completely irrelevant.
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From Wiki re Akshata Murty, Rish! Sunak's wife:


Her mother was the first female engineer to work for the TATA Engineering and Locomotive Company, then India's largest car maker, and later became a philanthropist. Murty has one brother, Rohan Murty, and they were brought up in Jayanagar, a suburb of Bangalore.
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And of course, Rish! is a well-known paragon of always declaring his and his wife's interests. Unless, of course, he 'inadvertently' forgets...

Sunak's eat out to help out is an exemplar of a man filled with compassion and pity for the poor & suffering and nothing at all to do with helping out his business interests.

I bet this is the reason behind the Fire Brigade gag on naming Range Rover. Has to be. Range Rover were named promptly in the Liverpool fire.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Just before I wade through the rest of your doubtless gripping and incisive account of the famous Liverpool fire, can I suggest that you appear to have misconstrued what the term 'fuel line' refers to?

A fuel line is a pipe which delivers fuel from the fuel tank to the engine (or returns unused fuel, depending on the type of fuel system). You seem to imagine a 'fuel line' is a rivulet of fuel flowing on the ground. It is not.

You're welcome.
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Are you suggesting that Vixen has misconstrued some information she's been given? Heaven forfend!
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Just before I wade through the rest of your doubtless gripping and incisive account of the famous Liverpool fire, can I suggest that you appear to have misconstrued what the term 'fuel line' refers to?

A fuel line is a pipe which delivers fuel from the fuel tank to the engine (or returns unused fuel, depending on the type of fuel system). You seem to imagine a 'fuel line' is a rivulet of fuel flowing on the ground. It is not.

You're welcome.
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I am aware of that. For it to leak there needs to be some kind of rupture, no?
 
Vixen said:
If the driver had to leap out of a burning car sharpish then it is stating the Bleedin' Obvious to state it appears to be a 'vehicle fault'.
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I'm guessing you've never been to Florida.

Again, you have very carefully been told nothing at all. Yet you believe you know all about it.
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No one else is claiming to know exactly what started the fire. "Vehicle fault" can include numerous events, and doesn't necessarily implicate the manufacturer. It was a nine year old car, after all.
 
Thermal said:
OK, but...wouldn't police and firefighters be highly incentivized to call attention to a potentially dangerous vehicle? They are the ones who have to fight it and drag out the bodies, when applicable. Seems like a stellar opportunity for all involved to jump up and say "howzabout we get together and nip this puppy in the bud before the bodies start racking up like cordwood?"
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That would be the purpose of the fire report, to explain what caused the fire, whether standards and regulations (Fire, Building, Staffing, etc.) were adhered to and then it will set out its recommendations. A Fire Report would not be setting out to reprimand the brand of vehicle as that is not its function. Jaguar Land Rover's greatest fear will be the Insurance companies and possible private litigants. If the incident can be blamed on the driver, it gets then off the hook. But the Fire Report will be highly unlikely to 'name and shame' them.
 
Vixen said:
... A Romanian eye witness [...] told a press reporter at the scene that they left when 'the fuel tank exploded'...
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If a burning car goes bang the obvious assumption is the fuel tank exploded, but it's not necessarily the most likely. How can you be sure she was right that it was the fuel tank? What if it was a tyre? What if it was one of the car's several airbags?
 
Vixen said:
From Wiki re Akshata Murty, Rish! Sunak's wife:





And of course, Rish! is a well-known paragon of always declaring his and his wife's interests. Unless, of course, he 'inadvertently' forgets...

Sunak's eat out to help out is an exemplar of a man filled with compassion and pity for the poor & suffering and nothing at all to do with helping out his business interests.

I bet this is the reason behind the Fire Brigade gag on naming Range Rover. Has to be. Range Rover were named promptly in the Liverpool fire.
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Even if you were correct (hint: you aren't), and the Fire Brigade and the Police haven't uttered the words "Range Rover", it hasn't had much effect since just about every story in the media has used them, and not mentioned any other brand as being the vehicle where the fire started.
 
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