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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

I have made a couple of posts about how the online community of Targeted Individuals discuss Robert Card's shooting spree in Maine.
See posts 2,063 and 2,064 in the 'Havana syndrome' thread.
It's scary ****!
 
Darat said:
Yes, it's part of your cultural insanity that you don't realise how crazy it sounds to folk outside the USA that you think such a definition is funny.
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With all due respect, calling something a mass-shooting if nobody's actually hit is pretty absurd.

Illogical.

Dumb.

Stupid.

Silly.
 
Mass shootings can include rampage killing, which is what most of the time we're focusing on, but the way it's defined can cover gang shootings and war crimes and terrorism.

Rampage killing can involve guns, knives, bombs, fire, planes, automobiles and follow a pattern that distinguishes it from other acts of violence. When another rampage shooting is posted here, others pull up an organized crime shooting or something, as if to say we're ignoring those shootings and magnifying these.

We're talking about two different acts that are counted by the counters as "mass shooting".
 
Venom said:
Mass shootings can include rampage killing, which is what most of the time we're focusing on, but the way it's defined can cover gang shootings and war crimes and terrorism.

Rampage killing can involve guns, knives, bombs, fire, planes, automobiles and follow a pattern that distinguishes it from other acts of violence. When another rampage shooting is posted here, others pull up an organized crime shooting or something, as if to say we're ignoring those shootings and magnifying these.

We're talking about two different acts that are counted by the counters as "mass shooting".
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Many American definitions of mass shootings does not include gang violence.
 
While so many are still pretending to care about mass shootings, I'll post up some more numbers from this weekend. These do not include the two I posted that occurred after the Maine shooting.


13 killed, 43 wounded in Texarkana, Texas. "5 people shot in a building" is the only information currently available.

1 killed, 3 wounded in Cumberland, Maryland. Shooting occurred outside of the club.

1 killed, 3 wounded in Indianapolis, Indiana. House party. All victims were between the ages of 16-22, multiple guns were found at the scene.

2 killed, 19 wounded in Tampa, Florida. Argument outside of the club turned into a gunfight. 3 AM, 1 of the deceased was 14 years old.

15 wounded in Chicago, Illinois. Block party. A man fired a gun into a crowd.

4 wounded in Atlanta, Georgia. Gathering at a gas station parking lot.


That's 9 mass shooting since Maine. 12 killed, 60 wounded. (ETA: the Texarkana story has been updated. 2 of the wounded are now dead.) 14 killed, 60 wounded.
No mugshots, no suspect descriptions and no type of weapon used being blasted out across the world. We all know why. (Texarkana shooter, Breoskii Warren, is a black man.)

Because it's also taboo to mention mass shootings in Chicago, there have been 3 within a six-day period.
 
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Hercules56 said:
So if nobody is hit it is still a mass shooting??

LOL
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You make a distinction between killed and injured, and whether it should count based on that, right? You can't really fault anyone for making the distinction of hit/not hit, then, in terms of whether it was a shooting. The result is only a matter of luck or marksmanship. The action/intent/threat was similar.
 
Thermal said:
You make a distinction between killed and injured, and whether it should count based on that, right? You can't really fault anyone for making the distinction of hit/not hit, then, in terms of whether it was a shooting. The result is only a matter of luck or marksmanship. The action/intent/threat was similar.
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Unless we all agree what counts as a "mass-shooting", we will never know how many there actually are.
 
Hercules56 said:
Unless we all agree what counts as a "mass-shooting", we will never know how many there actually are.
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Agreed. Your/DOJs definition is the most flawed. "Shooting" means being shot. "Killing" means being killed. So you and DOJ are simply using the wrong scale and equivocating. .

If we are talking about a mass murder, you are right. In all other cases using the English language, you are using the wrong definition.

Progress!
 
Hercules56 said:
Many American definitions of mass shootings does not include gang violence.
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Every list of mass shootings or news reports and a few posts here are simply multiple people being shot in a short span of time.

There's no context beyond that and it's easy to conflate different acts falling under it and equivocate.
 
Steve said:
It most certainly is. Does the word shooting in your world necessitate that a person must be hit with the bullet? Shooting is the act of firing a gun. Where the bullet ends up is not relevant.
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Well, being nit picky, "shooting" does imply a person being shot. Otherwise, a skeet competition is a mass shooting? But agreed on the larger point.
 
Steve said:
It most certainly is. Does the word shooting in your world necessitate that a person must be hit with the bullet? Shooting is the act of firing a gun. Where the bullet ends up is not relevant.
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So when i shot 100 rounds at the gun range, i was committing mass-shooting??
 
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