Luton Airport Car Park Fire

[Andy_Ross]

The press lies to you all the time, have you not noticed? It'll be one thing in the headline but when you get to a verbatim quote it is 'not what it says on the tin'.

The fire service are not the press.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I don't know about the USA but in England, everything is written in 'plain English' today - the advice is to write at the level of a 'bright twelve-year-old' - so that the average person can understand it. People do not understand words such as 'disclaimer' so that will be removed.

It couldn't be much more plain. the fire service say it was a diesel car.

 

[JayUtah]

Looking at the pictures, the concrete looks pretty warped to me but best address your question to the master engineer.

Is it your claim that heat "warps" concrete?

 

[JayUtah]

Sheer amount of footfall. During that period of the fire, there were some 25,000 passengers who had flights cancelled. Not all will have come by car of course as parking for several days is expensive. However, the car park is designed for long-stay vehicles and would be very busy, as compared to a supermarket wherein people are in and out within a couple of hours.

This is a completely inaccurate description of how structural design factors are arrived at for parking structures in any context.

 

[JayUtah]

If you are going to quote me, always do so in context. The context of the heat statement can be viewed here and is a quote from a professor of Metallurgy at a Norwegian University of Science and Technology. As you can see she is providing a narrative description of a slide that exhibits a particular deformation, which she avers cannot be produced by mechanical means. If you wish to find that hilarious, then maybe it reveals your ignorance rather than the professor's, who happens to be Head of Department and Professor at Department of Materials Science and Engineering.

Prof. Westermann is not the authority for your claim that temperatures above 700 °C cannot be achieved outside a laboratory. It's sheer ignorance like that which makes us distrust your ability to reason about the behavior of materials in the physical world, such as in this case.

 

[Mojo]

The press lies to you all the time, have you not noticed? It'll be one thing in the headline but when you get to a verbatim quote it is 'not what it says on the tin'.

You mean like columns headlined "THROUGH GERMAN EYES" which were presented as a report by Times reporters eavesdropping on German soldiers on the front line but turned out, when actually tracked down, to be a round-up of German media?

 

[Disbelief]

If you are going to quote me, always do so in context. The context of the heat statement can be viewed here and is a quote from a professor of Metallurgy at a Norwegian University of Science and Technology. As you can see she is providing a narrative description of a slide that exhibits a particular deformation, which she avers cannot be produced by mechanical means. If you wish to find that hilarious, then maybe it reveals your ignorance rather than the professor's, who happens to be Head of Department and Professor at Department of Materials Science and Engineering.

Nah, we all saw your comment and your continued misunderstanding of the slides. I mean you've been quoted as saying welding doesn't melt steel, which is more hilarious (to me anyway).

 

[Foster Zygote]

Anyone remember this?

Ah, the classics.

 

[junkshop]

I don't know about the USA but in England, everything is written in 'plain English' today - the advice is to write at the level of a 'bright twelve-year-old' - so that the average person can understand it. People do not understand words such as 'disclaimer' so that will be removed.

Citations needed.

Advice from whom*, and to whom*?

What authority claims that "People do not understand words such as 'disclaimer'", or that "that will be removed"?

What weight does this 'advice' carry?

_{*it is very possible that that should be 'who', rather than 'whom', I've never really got my head around the difference.}

 

[Agatha]

_{*it is very possible that that should be 'who', rather than 'whom', I've never really got my head around the difference.}

If you can replace who/whom with him, her or them (but not he, she or they), then its whom. If you can replace who/whom with he, she or they, it's who.

Do you want to speak to him? > to whom to do you want to speak?

Is she going to the party? > who is going to the party?

 

[junkshop]

If you can replace who/whom with him, her or them (but not he, she or they), then its whom. If you can replace who/whom with he, she or they, it's who.

Do you want to speak to him? > to whom to do you want to speak?

Is she going to the party? > who is going to the party?

Thank you.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Here you go, submit a FOI request, if you're that dubious.

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/contact-us/requests-information

Thanks, but I have already got the official press statement.

You said you want to know the model and make of the car:

Show me a second press release in his own words in full stating model and make of car. (Not some secondary source sub-edited précis.)

Submit a FOI request and find out.

 

[whoanellie]

I have read the press statement and having critical faculties, I could see it was heavily qualified.

Don't flatter yourself.

 

[Matthew Best]

Don't flatter yourself.

Who else is going to do it?

 

[whoanellie]

Who else is going to do it?

good point

 

[novaphile]

Don't flatter yourself.

Mirror, mirror, on the wall...

Who's the smarterest of them all?

[Puts on a deep voice]

Why you, my dear. You're smarterer than all the people who have actually achieved things...

 

[GlennB]

Mirror, mirror, on the wall...

Who's the smarterest of them all?

[Puts on a deep voice]

Why you, my dear. You're smarterer than all the people who have actually achieved things...

No no no. It's -

<sfx deep voice>

Or something

 

[ferd burfle]

If you are going to quote me, always do so in context. The context of the heat statement can be viewed here and is a quote from a professor of Metallurgy at a Norwegian University of Science and Technology. As you can see she is providing a narrative description of a slide that exhibits a particular deformation, which she avers cannot be produced by mechanical means. If you wish to find that hilarious, then maybe it reveals your ignorance rather than the professor's, who happens to be Head of Department and Professor at Department of Materials Science and Engineering.

Oh, baloney. Here’s your original statement:

To even get to temperatures above 700°C artificially you need to be in a laboratory. There is no way 'welding' would cause the type of deformation as seen here. Professor Westermann was being purely descriptive and was not giving an opinion as all she did was microscopically examine the bow visor for deformations and its type.

You wrote it as a declarative statement. But even if you were referencing her, which I doubt, it’s not anything a scientist would repeat, let alone someone who has claimed a physics education. The rest of your post is the usual piffle and bluster.

 

[catsmate]

A bright twelve-year-old may not know that a diesel car can also be a hybrid.

Irrelevent nonsense. The car in question was not a hybrid.

 

[Vixen]

And the press had shown you some of that CCTV. The bit somebody decided was dramatic, it would appear. If you want all the rest you could try a FOI request I suppose.

Assuming the car park has a typical modern day peppering of CCTV cameras the police will presumably be interested in following the car's progress toward, into and through the car park, to establish at what point it was perceptibly burning.

They might have been better off fitting the car park with sprinklers rather than cameras. I think that's a more likely recommendation to come out of this rather than any irrelevance about battery vehicles.

As I recall, sprinklers were a recommendation after the Liverpool Arena car park fire. Water on a burning EV might make things worse though now that they are a significant percentage of cars in a car park.