Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

[trustbutverify]

As somebody who closed their account shortly after Galaxy Brain bought the company, I noticed a huge change a few months ago. An account's tweets are no longer displayed chronologically unless you're logged in. I can no longer access real time information for Iarnród Éireann trains.

I realize you may not want to add to his positive metrics, but you can just sign up using a burner email, and have the correct chronology. I'm sure you're already aware of this.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I realize you may not want to add to his positive metrics, but you can just sign up using a burner email, and have the correct chronology. I'm sure you're already aware of this.

Or better yet Galaxy Brain could turn over the running of his company to somebody who has a basic understanding of how advertising platforms work and they could restore said functionality.

 

[trustbutverify]

Or better yet Galaxy Brain could turn over the running of his company to somebody who has a basic understanding of how advertising platforms work and they could restore said functionality.

I agree, but meanwhile you can avoid some frustration.

 

[jeremyp]

Or better yet Galaxy Brain could turn over the running of his company to somebody who has a basic understanding of how advertising platforms work and they could restore said functionality.

Do they not have a web site with live train times and other updates on it?

 

[angrysoba]

I agree, but meanwhile you can avoid some frustration.

It’s very easy to avoid frustration and I encourage every frustrated person to follow suit:

1.) archive and download your acoustic history.
2.) delete your account

I am at the point that I think anyone who truly claims to hate or strongly dislike Elon Musk has no excuse to be using his platform unless they are merely posturing.

Delete your account.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I agree, but meanwhile you can avoid some frustration.

Meant to get back to this earlier. Iarnród Éireann solved the problem for me by having tannoy systems wirelessly linked to Cork Kent on every stop on the line. If there's a delay of more than c. 5mins, I'll hear it.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Musk has spent the last week attacking Wikipedia.
He's been questioning what they need all the money for that they keep asking for, what the agendas of the people running it are and the suitability of the owners to run it ethically and competently.
He's encouraging his blue tickers to attack it.

Here's his latest post

Wikipedia is inherently hierarchical and therefore subject to the biases of higher ranking editors, independent of their merits.

@CommunityNotes requires people with historically different points of view, based on how they have rated and written Notes, to agree in order for Notes to be shown to the public. All code and data is open source, so you can recreate the outcome yourself.

Crucially, even I, as the controlling shareholder of the company, cannot change the outcome of a Note.

This is an extremely fundamental difference.

Where is he going with this?

 

[catsmate]

Musk has spent the last week attacking Wikipedia.
He's been questioning what they need all the money for that they keep asking for, what the agendas of the people running it are and the suitability of the owners to run it ethically and competently.
He's encouraging his blue tickers to attack it.

Here's his latest post



Where is he going with this?

The usual libertarian bollocks.

 

[Darat]

Musk has spent the last week attacking Wikipedia.
He's been questioning what they need all the money for that they keep asking for, what the agendas of the people running it are and the suitability of the owners to run it ethically and competently.
He's encouraging his blue tickers to attack it.

Here's his latest post



Where is he going with this?

Seems to be envy.

 

[tyr_13]

Musk has spent the last week attacking Wikipedia.
He's been questioning what they need all the money for that they keep asking for, what the agendas of the people running it are and the suitability of the owners to run it ethically and competently.
He's encouraging his blue tickers to attack it.

Here's his latest post



Where is he going with this?

Conservatives detest any source of knowledge they don't control. This is why they hate and do everything they can to control or delegitimize the media, education, science, academia, and resources like Wikipedia.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Musk has spent the last week attacking Wikipedia.
He's been questioning what they need all the money for that they keep asking for, what the agendas of the people running it are and the suitability of the owners to run it ethically and competently.
He's encouraging his blue tickers to attack it.

Here's his latest post



Where is he going with this?

He's just trying to pimp up Notes and get Wikipedia editors to use it instead. He wants Xitter to be the only website on the internet or some such delusion.

 

[dirtywick]

Where is he going with this?

seems he's upset people are able to edit the pages of wikipedia

idk he seems to have a nebulous but very serious issue with the way content is generally moderated on the internet. i would imagine that after purchasing one of the most popular websites on the planet and implementing his ideas on how content should be moderated and seeing the results, he would stop talking. i don't know that he has the credibility for him to criticize another website owner about ethics or competence, or even the suitability to own a website at all. he's the last person on the planet that should be criticizing wikipedia

 

[dudalb]

He must be reachng the point where Advertisers are going to bail on him simply becuase X is no longer a good enough market to justify the expense.

 

[dudalb]

Conservatives detest any source of knowledge they don't control. This is why they hate and do everything they can to control or delegitimize the media, education, science, academia, and resources like Wikipedia.

That is painting with a pretty broad brush there.
I could point to some on the left who have the same mentaliry.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

That is painting with a pretty broad brush there.
I could point to some on the left who have the same mentaliry.

A broad brush for a broad category. Conservatism is inherently antithetical to change and new ideas, so controlling sources of knowledge is a core part of their behavior.

I could point to some on the left who have the same mentaliry.

I could point to some on the 'left' who suddenly switched sides after they realized it didn't suit their personality.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Musk has spent the last week attacking Wikipedia.
He's been questioning what they need all the money for that they keep asking for, what the agendas of the people running it are and the suitability of the owners to run it ethically and competently...

Where is he going with this?

The Huge Fight Behind Those Pop-Up Fundraising Banners on Wikipedia

The self-governing wiki community has long insisted that the WMF consult them when it comes to key decisions about how Wikipedia is managed, a process that WMF’s CEO Maryana Iskander referred to in an interview as “healthy democratic noise.”

That noise got a lot louder on Oct. 25 on a Wikipedia community discussion page called the Village Pump. That day, the Village Pump hosted a “Request for comment,” or RfC, about the proposed banner ads for the annual year-end fundraising campaign. In this monthlong debate, volunteers voiced concerns that the ads gave the false impression that Wikipedia was under dire financial stress. The language in the draft ads urged donors to “support Wikipedia’s independence” because “without reader contributions, we couldn’t run Wikipedia the way we do.” Several Wikipedia editors characterized this message as unethical.

Criticism of Wikipedia

In 2008, a team from the Palo Alto Research Center found that for editors who make between two and nine edits a month, the percentage of their edits being reverted had gone from 5% in 2004 to about 15%, and people who make only one edit a month were being reverted at a 25% rate. According to The Economist magazine (2008), "The behaviour of Wikipedia's self-appointed deletionist guardians, who excise anything that does not meet their standards, justifying their actions with a blizzard of acronyms, is now known as 'wiki-lawyering'."...

David Auerbach, writing in Slate magazine, said:

I am not exaggerating when I say it is the closest thing to Kafka's The Trial I have ever witnessed, with editors and administrators giving conflicting and confusing advice, complaints getting "boomeranged" onto complainants who then face disciplinary action for complaining, and very little consistency in the standards applied. In my short time there, I repeatedly observed editors lawyering an issue with acronyms, only to turn around and declare "Ignore all rules!" when faced with the same rules used against them...

Jimmy Wales

In late 2005, Wales edited his biographical entry on the English Wikipedia. Writer Rogers Cadenhead drew attention to logs showing that in his edits to the page, Wales had removed references to Sanger as the co-founder of Wikipedia... Wales was also observed to have modified references to Bomis in a way that was characterized as downplaying the sexual nature of some of his former company's products. Though Wales argued that his modifications were solely intended to improve the accuracy of the content, he apologized for editing his biography, a practice generally discouraged on Wikipedia.

Note that the last two quotes are from Wikipedia itself, and so are subject to its biases. Who knows what the real truth is...

Musk is obviously 'attacking' Wikipedia as part of an effort to promote his alternative product. I don't see anything wrong with that. He may have a very naive and self-opinionated view of the subject, but when it comes to social media who doesn't? Musk is constantly questioning conventions and proposing ideas with dubious merit. He may also be childish, obnoxious and cringe-worthy. But none of that bothers me if it gets people thinking 'outside the box'.

Twitter X is Musk's pet social media experiment. He spent the money so we don't have to. I'm hoping that his naivety and hubris will lead to lots of mistakes that we can study. And perhaps - if we are really lucky - he might stumble on a few gems and maybe even make Twitter X better that it was - or at least give us some good ideas. But If he ends up killing it instead it won't be any great loss.

 

[jeremyp]

Musk is obviously 'attacking' Wikipedia as part of an effort to promote his alternative product. I don't see anything wrong with that. He may have a very naive and self-opinionated view of the subject, but when it comes to social media who doesn't? Musk is constantly questioning conventions and proposing ideas with dubious merit. He may also be childish, obnoxious and cringe-worthy. But none of that bothers me if it gets people thinking 'outside the box'.

Twitter X is Musk's pet social media experiment. He spent the money so we don't have to. I'm hoping that his naivety and hubris will lead to lots of mistakes that we can study. And perhaps - if we are really lucky - he might stumble on a few gems and maybe even make Twitter X better that it was - or at least give us some good ideas. But If he ends up killing it instead it won't be any great loss.

What alternative product? Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia. Twitter is not that, never has been that, and it strains credibility to think it ever could - or should - be that. They aren't even competing for customers: Wikipedia doesn't run advertising other than its own fund raising appeals.

 

[Darat]

What alternative product? Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia. Twitter is not that, never has been that, and it strains credibility to think it ever could - or should - be that. They aren't even competing for customers: Wikipedia doesn't run advertising other than its own fund raising appeals.

I think he thinks his "Community notes" are somehow comparable to Wikipedia. It's a delusion.

 

[Darat]

...snip...

Musk is obviously 'attacking' Wikipedia as part of an effort to promote his alternative product. I don't see anything wrong with that. He may have a very naive and self-opinionated view of the subject, but when it comes to social media who doesn't? Musk is constantly questioning conventions and proposing ideas with dubious merit. He may also be childish, obnoxious and cringe-worthy. But none of that bothers me if it gets people thinking 'outside the box'.

...snip...

Can you explain how "community notes" - his alternate product is in any way comparable to Wikipedia?

ETA: Plus how do those articles you quote support whatever Musk is saying about Wikipedia?

ETA1: "I'm hoping that his naivety and hubris will lead to lots of mistakes that we can study." - you do know everything he is doing has already been tried and failed at its goals? He is I'd say about 10 to 15 years behind the curve with all his ideas.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

The Huge Fight Behind Those Pop-Up Fundraising Banners on Wikipedia

Criticism of Wikipedia


Jimmy Wales

Note that the last two quotes are from Wikipedia itself, and so are subject to its biases. Who knows what the real truth is...

Musk is obviously 'attacking' Wikipedia as part of an effort to promote his alternative product. I don't see anything wrong with that. He may have a very naive and self-opinionated view of the subject, but when it comes to social media who doesn't? Musk is constantly questioning conventions and proposing ideas with dubious merit. He may also be childish, obnoxious and cringe-worthy. But none of that bothers me if it gets people thinking 'outside the box'.

Twitter X is Musk's pet social media experiment. He spent the money so we don't have to. I'm hoping that his naivety and hubris will lead to lots of mistakes that we can study. And perhaps - if we are really lucky - he might stumble on a few gems and maybe even make Twitter X better that it was - or at least give us some good ideas. But If he ends up killing it instead it won't be any great loss.