Luton Airport Car Park Fire

[W.D.Clinger]

Once again I am six steps ahead and am replying to what he will have posted several posts along.

You are six steps ahead of people who are walking in the opposite direction.

Replying to what someone will have posted several posts along is like criticizing Max Hastings for a style of writing he will have used in a book he will have written several books in the future.

 

[Vixen]

And yet the actual experts, fire fighters who were actually there, say it was a diesel.

So I am curious to understand why the fire chiefs made the decision to keep well away from the building, tackling it from the outside instead of going in, if the assessment was it was a common or garden diesel car fire.

 

[Vixen]

What makes garage employees or a car dealers experts in the way battery and diesel fires spread respectively? How common are fires in either type of business? I worked at a car dealership in the early '90s, and I never even heard of a fire in any dealership's fleet. My cousin has been an ASE Master mechanic for about 20 years, and he's never mentioned seeing a car destroyed in a fire.

The fact is that even someone who's worked in a garage or a dealership for years is unlikely to have seen a single car fire, much less so many as to gain some expertise as to how different sorts of vehicles burn relative to one another. The internet is a Petri dish for Dunning-Kruger, and you're credulously accepting the "expertise" of anyone who supports your new pet conspiracy theory.

I am not accepting it. I am curious as to why the fire brigade, owner or police don't just tell the public the make and type of 'diesel car'.

 

[Vixen]

That's not theory, it's just quantification.


Most commentators in reply to news articles, most of whom appear to be nothing more than idiots who want to sound smart. People who say crap like what I earlier pointed out.


It matters enormously, because it relates to the fundamental conspiracy theory being pushed, which is that authorities are attempting to hide the fact that EVs supposedly pose a much greater danger of fire than internal combustion vehicles. If statistical evidence blows that claim out of the water, then there's nothing for said authorities to hide.

In November 2018 Liverpool Arena car park was destroyed.

Yet it was announced straight away that the car was a Land Rover.

People living in nearby apartments were also forced to leave as 21 fire crews tackled the blaze which began when a Land Rover burst into flames.

No-one was seriously injured, but more than 1,000 vehicles were completely burnt out leaving insurers with an estimated £20m bill.

BBC

What is different now?

 

[Vixen]

There was a car park fire in Dublin, obviously the conspiracy is international.

Has it been confirmed what type of vehicle caused that fire?

As for the one in Cork:

The car which caused the massive fire in the multi-storey car park of a Cork shopping centre almost eight weeks ago has finally been removed for specialist examination.

The vehicle, which has been confirmed as an Opel Zafira, was removed from the first floor of the Douglas Shopping Centre car park earlier this week using a remotely-operated towing device.

IE

The owners of a shopping centre in Cork are suing for more than €30 million damages after an allegedly defective Opel Zafira car went on fire in the centre’s car park, allegedly resulting in a major fire and “immense damage” to the centre.

The Douglas Village Shopping Centre has been closed since the fire of August 31st, 2019 and is not expected to reopen until autumn 2020 at the earliest, the Commercial Court was told.

IT

Maybe the sentence about 'suing for damages' explains the tight-lippness.

Something to do with the fuse box in that case.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I am not accepting it. I am curious as to why the fire brigade, owner or police don't just tell the public the make and type of 'diesel car'.

And what colour was it? I'm suspicious that they don't just tell us what colour it was. What are they hiding?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

So I am curious to understand why the fire chiefs made the decision to keep well away from the building, tackling it from the outside instead of going in, if the assessment was it was a common or garden diesel car fire.

Is that what you normally do when you're tackling a fire started by a common or garden diesel car inside a covered parking garage?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

In November 2018 Liverpool Arena car park was destroyed.

Yet it was announced straight away that the car was a Land Rover.

What length of delay before announcing it was a Land Rover is your threshold for its being suspicious? What were the comparative delays in these two cases?

 

[Vixen]

And what colour was it? I'm suspicious that they don't just tell us what colour it was. What are they hiding?

Luvvies who care about car colour don't fly from Luton Airport.

 

[zooterkin]

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electric-car-fire-petrol-diesel-luton-airport-blaze

 

[Mojo]

So I am curious to understand why the fire chiefs made the decision to keep well away from the building, tackling it from the outside instead of going in, if the assessment was it was a common or garden diesel car fire.

Has it occurred to you that there may have been more than one car in the car park?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Luvvies who care about car colour don't fly from Luton Airport.

That's what the makers of highly inflammable silver paint want you to believe. Wake up! Remember the Hindenburg.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electric-car-fire-petrol-diesel-luton-airport-blaze

Spare me a click onto GBeebies website with a line about what it has to say. Do they reckon the fire was set by the woke?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Spare me a click onto GBeebies website with a line about what it has to say. Do they reckon the fire was set by the woke?

They are getting a lot of flack on their twitter account because they did a report saying it wasn't an EV and EVs don't catch fire as often as IC cars.
They have gone woke and are in the pocket of EV manufacturers apparently.

It's delicious

 

[Pixel42]

Has it occurred to you that there may have been more than one car in the car park?

Article just posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67077996

It is thought there were about 1,500 vehicles in the 1,900-capacity car park at the time of the fire.

The exact cause of the blaze and the number of vehicles damaged is not yet clear.

A temporary ramp was set up at the car park to enable undamaged vehicles to be removed.

However, Luton Airport said it was "unlikely" any vehicles would be salvageable

"Regrettably, it is unlikely that any vehicles in the car park will be salvageable but this is still in the process of being assessed," said an airport spokesman.

"We recognise this has been an extremely distressing time for all concerned and we would like to thank our customers for their ongoing patience and understanding while we work through the many complexities following this incident."

The spokesman said the airport had provided the Motor Insurers' Bureau with the registration details of 1,405 vehicles and was working with the Association of British Insurers to try to retrieve any personal items.

 

[GlennB]

So I am curious to understand why the fire chiefs made the decision to keep well away from the building, tackling it from the outside instead of going in, if the assessment was it was a common or garden diesel car fire.

Because it's a damn sight safer than actually entering the car park? Car parks have openings around the sides that provide access to tackle a fire.

What would you expect? To drive fire engines up the ramps to the third level where the fire was located?

 

[Mojo]

Article just posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67077996

Is it possible that many of these vehicles may have contained volatile and flammable liquids? If so, Vixen has an answer to her question.

 

[Vixen]

https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/electric-car-fire-petrol-diesel-luton-airport-blaze

GB News: well known for its accurate reporting. It is not a direct quote from Andrew Hopkinson of the Beds Fire Brigade, it is GB News paraphrasing him.


If you thought DAILY MAIL was bad, it is possible to sink even lower.

 

[ohms]

So I am curious to understand why the fire chiefs made the decision to keep well away from the building, tackling it from the outside instead of going in, if the assessment was it was a common or garden diesel car fire.

Probably because:

"Our first two fire appliances arrived on scene just a shade under 10 minutes later to work alongside firefighters from Luton Airport Fire Service.

"On arrival my officers were faced with a severe and rapidly spreading fire involving a large number of vehicles that ultimately spread to multiple floors and involved a partial collapse of the car park.

https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2023/1011/1410157-luton/

 

[catsmate]

So I am curious to understand why the fire chiefs made the decision to keep well away from the building, tackling it from the outside instead of going in, if the assessment was it was a common or garden diesel car fire.

Because, unlike you, they know what they were doing? The dangers of fires in confined spaces with vast amounts of flammables. The lack of directly endangered lives. The management of risk.