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Cont: The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI

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Vixen said:
As I pointed out, the Finnish words for 'switched on' is completely different from the word 'tuned', as in English. Anyone would know that 'tuning' a radio, for example, is quite different from 'switching it on'.


The Finnish authorities said the buoys were found untuned and switched off.
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No they don't, there isn't an option on an EPIRB to 'untune' anything
They gave one switch. When it was activated the buoys transmitted as expected.
They were in good working order
 
Vixen said:
Didn't need a switch. They were free floating automatic buoys activated when immersed in water, wherein they are released by the HRU and the aim is for them to reach the surface and automatically start transmitting their location to the COSPAS-SARTS satellite system. Proof is, the authorities requested to see the Norwegian logs of all satellite messages during that time frame.
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You are telling lies again
It has to be deliberate.

They were manual only and in good working order and transmitted as expected when activated.

No transmission was received because they were never activated.
 
SpitfireIX said:
No. You wrote:




There is no reasonable reading of the hilited portion other than that you were suggesting that the Times somehow had reporters on the German front lines at Stalingrad.

And to add to what AR wrote, the early years of WWII are generally considered to be 1939-1941, the middle years 1942-1943, and the later years 1944-1945. So that puts Stalingrad squarely in the middle of the war.

Finally, as a side note, I'm rather curious as to why you would consider "the early years of WWII from a nordic perspective" to mainly concern events in 1941 and 1942, when the Winter War and the German invasions of Denmark and Norway had all concluded by July of 1940.
ETA: Beaten to the punch by Jack
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I think, you should read Nordic as meaning Finnish.
That would put 1941-42 in the first half of the Finnish alliance with Nazi Germany (yeah, yeah, I know 'Co-belligerents' :rolleyes:). Which makes 1943-44 then the second half, when Finland bowed out of their alliance to save their country from the approaching Soviets.

To paraphrase with those words spoken a long time ago, in that documentary as filmed by George L. 'It was all true. From a certain perspective'. Which neatly sums up, almost all of Vixen's arguments.
 
Vixen said:
The picture of Viking Sally was definitely taking in the archipelago, and in which you can see is full of islands, as in the background. Here's what the archipelago looks like and you can even see buoys in the background which do not necessarily indicate being in a port but are to aid with narrow lanes through the islands.

[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53233782324_81a1581a0a_w.jpg[/qimg]archipelago by Username Vixen, on Flickr

[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53233782319_00d690a12c_w.jpg[/qimg]archipelago 2 by Username Vixen, on Flickr

[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53233405821_5ddf571d14_w.jpg[/qimg]archipelago 3 by Username Vixen, on Flickr

[qimg]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53233905575_4c4c8469b8_w.jpg[/qimg]archipelago 4 by Username Vixen, on Flickr

These are pics I took last year.

Is there any evidence that the ferry had to raise its bow visor before approaching port?

Who unlocks the Atlantic lock if that is the case?
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None of those pictures are in the open sea
 
Vixen said:
MV Estonia had sailed in a far worse storm some five weeks earlier.
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Cumulative damage.

Comet airliners made a number of flights before breaking up.

MV Derbyshire made numerous voyages before breaking up.

My car did thousands of miles before the CV joint failed
 
Vixen said:
Phiwum took his name and his son's name and claimed it was an amazing coincidence that his Dutch neighbours in the Netherlands had two dogs of the same names as he and his son, citing the probability of their names being the same as other Americans (he says 10m /1 against, using a probability calculator of names).



But there are many factors that go into giving names.



My two christian names are also likely to show high improbability of anyone having the same two christian names on Phiwum's name probability calculator. UNTIL you realise my two names are linked to a festive season. AHA!!! Given the popularity of parents naming their kids because of this big festive season, suddenly the two together are not so improbable after all!



Just an amusing story.



I bet the Dutch neighbours called their dogs something like Lassie or Marley after some popular US film which is why they were not Dutch names or even 'dog's names'.



A coincidence is something that is paranormal. Jung called it 'synchronicity'.



Truth is, the coincidental factors in the MV Estonia sinking are probably more to do with preplanning than any 'numerology' or 'synchronicity'.
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I have never ever used the term coincidence to mean paranormal. What nonsense.

There is no connection between our names. My name has a biblical origin. His name is associated with a historic American figure, though not someone I know much about. We liked the name. That's all.



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phiwum said:
I have never ever used the term coincidence to mean paranormal. What nonsense.

There is no connection between our names. My name has a biblical origin. His name is associated with a historic American figure, though not someone I know much about. We liked the name. That's all.



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zooterkin said:
Absolute bollocks.
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In my experience coincidence is used to mean something that is purely random in contrast to the idea that there is some "paranormal" explanation be it God, "synchronicity", or whatever.
 
whoanellie said:
In my experience coincidence is used to mean something that is purely random in contrast to the idea that there is some "paranormal" explanation be it God, "synchronicity", or whatever.
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Yes. Coincidence is only noticing a pattern suggesting connectedness between things which don't seem to be connected. Speculating that there may actually be a connection we don't understand, or on what its nature might be is not what coincidence is.
 
Vixen said:
If you read the JAIC Report, you'll discover it didn't actually investigate anything other that a minutiae breakdown of what the bow visor was composed of and how it worked.
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I've read the JAIC report many times. But in my case I'm reading it from the perspective of someone who is licensed to perform those investigations and write the reports. As such, I know what the final report of an investigative body is supposed to contain and what it's not supposed to contain.

Your incessant, "They didn't do it the way I think it should have been done," is tedious and wrong. Stop trying to flex your ignorance as if it were a strength. This is not your industry, and you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Vixen said:
As I pointed out, the Finnish words for 'switched on' is completely different from the word 'tuned', as in English. Anyone would know that 'tuning' a radio, for example, is quite different from 'switching it on'.
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It's an iron-clad fact that emergency beacons do not allow field adjustment of the frequency. They cannot, or else it would violate their certification. It doesn't matter how well you think you speak Finnish. You're simply wrong according to the facts.
 
Vixen said:
..you can even see buoys in the background which do not necessarily indicate being in a port...
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Correct. The buoys depicted here are not lateral markers, whereas the buoy in the other picture definitely is. Archipelagos cannot have lateral markers because there's no direction of buoyage.

Stop pretending you know how ships work.
 
Vixen said:
A coincidence is something that is paranormal. Jung called it 'synchronicity'.
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No. A coincidence is simply two observations that have no discernible causal connection but occur in a way that creates a subjective belief of causation. Synchronicity is a hypothesis in psychology to explore why the mind wants to believe that there actually is something going on in a perceived coincidence. Statistical coincidence exists irrespective of the Jung-Pauli hypothesis.
 
Vixen said:
I feel sorry for you if the normal standards in your community are lying, fraudulent misrepresentation, deception and forgery. No wonder you think everybody is at it, as it must seem so rare for you to meet decent upright citizens who do not practise those standards.

Imagine going around making up vindictive stories about someone on a public forum and thinking it is all right and normal behaviour.
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Gee, can you hear us up there on your high horse?

Knock off the moralizing, Vixen. Your performance in this thread—I cannot honestly call it participation—is predicated on telling the same lies over and over again, ostensibly just to get a rise out of people. You lie about what others say. You lie about what you've said. You lie about your sources. Don't attempt to lecture us on standards of honesty. Don't attempt to lecture us on what is right and moral behavior. Nothing you're doing in this thread is honest or morally praiseworthy.
 
JayUtah said:
Gee, can you hear us up there on your high horse?

Knock off the moralizing, Vixen. Your performance in this thread—I cannot honestly call it participation—is predicated on telling the same lies over and over again, ostensibly just to get a rise out of people. You lie about what others say. You lie about what you've said. You lie about your sources. Don't attempt to lecture us on standards of honesty. Don't attempt to lecture us on what is right and moral behavior. Nothing you're doing in this thread is honest or morally praiseworthy.
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Hear, hear...
 
JayUtah said:
Correct. The buoys depicted here are not lateral markers, whereas the buoy in the other picture definitely is. Archipelagos cannot have lateral markers because there's no direction of buoyage.

Stop pretending you know how ships work.
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Actually, the Stockholm Archipelago does. We have clear directions, starting from the entrances to the Archipelago and showing the route (fairways) into the harbors.

Here is the entrance to the Stockholm Archipelago at Söderarm. On the right hand side you can see how the route gets a direction with the red arrow and the two dots.

[imgw=720]https://i.postimg.cc/90XQhcKm/2023-10-04-16-11-51.jpg[/imgw]

We can see one green lateral marker just north of the Rommargrund lighthouse, and one red marker to the WSW, marker "Fl R 3s"

Zooming out a little, we can see how the routes continue. In this case one route terminates at the port of Kapellskär, while another continues in SW direction towards Stockholm.
[imgw=720]https://i.postimg.cc/cHxSKXmT/2023-10-04-16-12-00.jpg[/imgw]

So the lateral markers are definitely in the Archipelago. I have sailed and motored the Stockholm, Åland and Turku ones, and have personal experience, as well as the charts.

Having said that, the image of Viking Sally that Vixen previously posted is definitely not at sea but inside the Archipelago. Most probably close to a port. It could be Mariehamn, or it could be Nådendal (next to Turku) - I can't really geolocate it. I'm almost be 100% sure it's not the Frihamnen in Stockholm, the background does not match at all, and it's an area I'm familiar with and have navigated in.

Given how the ship is moving, I'd say that the photographer is probably standing on land in the port.

Unfortunately I can't share any more details from the chart I just brought out, since it got invaded by a monster...
 
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