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Cont: The sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part VI

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Vixen said:
Citation please of which post you are referring to.
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How about this one? Do you believe what this member posts?

Vixen said:
The Estonian service electricians inspected the buoys' activities about a week before the accident and by then those had been operating normally. Those Kannad 406-F (=free-floating) were tested as follows: the buoy's "cage" was carefully opened and the buoy was raised. When the indicator light started flashing, the cap was opened and the switch was turned to the OFF position. In that case, the signal would not yet have emitted. At the time there was no test button.
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zooterkin said:
Walk us through the process, if you would?


From earlier threads, the model used on the MS Estonia was actually the Kannad 406 F. The 'F' indicates automatic release (float-free). The models that are automatically activated have an A in the model name, e.g. Kannad 406 AF.

Whether the item in the photos is identical or similar, you would also need to establish.
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Sorry but the information you refer to is incorrect.

The Rockwater Survey was commissioned by the Swedish/Estonian/Finnish governments, or their official bodies, which was an independent company (American, I believe) that sent in expert skilled naval personnel to survey the wreck. Rockwater confirms categorically in writing in their report that they recovered the Hydrostatic Release Unit of one of the EPIRBs. This is official. An HRU proves the EPIRB was an automatically activated one model (although it has to be set up and tuned on instalment.

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Rockwater is an official source.

Please now cease claiming that this is 'nonsense that has been dismissed'.

See picture of the HRU in the diver's hand above, and see circa 1:32:00 onwards here of the thing being recovered.

 
zooterkin said:
How about this one? Do you believe what this member posts?
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I expect we'll be told that she posted that 'tongue in cheek'? :)

Or she'll demand you name the source for where she got the information from.

Or your post will be studiously ignored.
 
Ok, I'm doing something ridiculous now. I'm sending KANNAD and email.

Hello, I suspect this is a bit of a strange request but I'l wondering if you could send me a copy of the manual for one of your old models of EPIRB, the 406-F? I've tried looking online and can only find examples for the 406-AF with automatic release and activation.*

Alternatively if you could confirm whether the 406-F was automatic release but not automatic activation and needed to be activated with a button, that would be fantastic.
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Yours faithfully,*
Edward Baylis
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That's the email I'm sending to the support email listed on the manuals of their products.
 
Vixen said:
This is the model EPIRB presented to the JAIC by a marine communications expert.
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It can be identified as this model here:
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Can you show us how you distinguished whether the pictured EPIRB was an immersion-activated model or a manually-activated model?

Spoiler: No, you can't.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Ok, I'm doing something ridiculous now. I'm sending KANNAD and email.



That's the email I'm sending to the support email listed on the manuals of their products.
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You might want to specify a year for the model, I suspect the model number might not uniquely identify the features.
 
zooterkin said:
Please show where the first thing the Coastguard looked for in those cases was the Captain rather than any and all survivors?
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It is a figure of speech which means, 'we urgently need to speak to whoever is in charge of this thing that brought about the sudden deaths of almost a thousand ordinary men, women, children babies and pensioners.'

The turn of phrase signifies its urgency and importance. So if someone says to you 'First thing tomorrow do this', then they will be assuming you do all of your normal things first. Ditto the Stockholm coastguard.

It is not an 'either or' situation. With plenty of personnel both tasks can be undertaken with alacrity.
 
All I'm asking is if the F series was automatically activated, like the AF series, so I suspect I should be ok. Or they'll ask for more information from me if they respond and I'll provide it then.
 
Vixen said:
It is a figure of speech which means, 'we urgently need to speak to whoever is in charge of this thing that brought about the sudden deaths of almost a thousand ordinary men, women, children babies and pensioners.'

The turn of phrase signifies its urgency and importance. So if someone says to you 'First thing tomorrow do this', then they will be assuming you do all of your normal things first. Ditto the Stockholm coastguard.

It is not an 'either or' situation. With plenty of personnel both tasks can be undertaken with alacrity.
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It's not a figure of speech. You made a specific claim. Stop attempting to back out of your claims or be more accurate when you make your initial statements.
 
But that's the website today. The regulations changed.


Vixen, what was the specific model EPIRB on the Estonia, if you would?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
But that's the website today. The regulations changed.


Vixen, what was the specific model EPIRB on the Estonia, if you would?
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But we know!

Vixen said:
The Estonian service electricians inspected the buoys' activities about a week before the accident and by then those had been operating normally. Those Kannad 406-F (=free-floating) were tested as follows: the buoy's "cage" was carefully opened and the buoy was raised. When the indicator light started flashing, the cap was opened and the switch was turned to the OFF position. In that case, the signal would not yet have emitted. At the time there was no test button.
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But that specifies that the A series were automatic activation.

So if it was a 406-AF it would have been, right?

So was it an AF?
 
zooterkin said:
It's also irrelevant, as we have established, since the regulations changed. Have you forgotten we're talking about 1994, when automatically released, automatically activated, EPIRBs were not required?
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The regulations relating to EPIRB's changed arising from the recommendation pursuant to the Herald of Free Enterprise accident. SOLAS in 1991 recommended that

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later than 1 August 1993, requiring the carriage of a float-free satellite
EPIRB on every ship as part of the global maritime distress and safety system".


So certainly Estonia conformed to this standard and as verified by Rockwater examining the EPIRB cages.
 
zooterkin said:
How about you justify your statement regarding the identification of the model?
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Vixen said:
Read lines 2 and 3 of page 11 Rockwater Survey carefully. The presence of the HRU in the empty cage tells you it did what it says on the tin (or should have).
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You have not established that is for the correct model.

Once again, you seem incapable of seeing the difference between automatically released and automatically activated.
 
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