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Olivia Troye on MSNBC again:
Poor thing. It doesn't seem to take much to make her nauseous and visualize[/] things.
I just love it when somebody who told the story about being attacked with microwave guns at the White House compound now talks about going up against disinformation and alternative reality and being too honest:
She didn't come clean about what she was experiencing during the Trump-Pence administration until after it was over. And she sure as hell hasn't come clean about her disinformation about raygun attacks. She seems to excuse her silence during the Trump years with her loyalty to Pence, so I guess she also can't come clean about the 'Havana syndrome' now because of her loyalty to Mark Zaid, the guy with the fundraiser in support of her defense fund to "help MAGA victims around the country to combat disinformation."
Olivia Troye on MSNBC again:
Poor thing. It doesn't seem to take much to make her nauseous and visualize[/] things.
I just love it when somebody who told the story about being attacked with microwave guns at the White House compound now talks about going up against disinformation and alternative reality and being too honest:
She didn't come clean about what she was experiencing during the Trump-Pence administration until after it was over. And she sure as hell hasn't come clean about her disinformation about raygun attacks. She seems to excuse her silence during the Trump years with her loyalty to Pence, so I guess she also can't come clean about the 'Havana syndrome' now because of her loyalty to Mark Zaid, the guy with the fundraiser in support of her defense fund to "help MAGA victims around the country to combat disinformation."
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Centre to look into 'Havana Syndrome': What it means and the term's history (Indian Express, Aug 7, 2023)
The only other 'syndrome' case in India was the US intelligence officer who accompanied CIA director Burns in Delhi in 2021.
The only other 'syndrome' case in India was the US intelligence officer who accompanied CIA director Burns in Delhi in 2021.
The Indian case mentioned in the previous post has not only riled up the community of Targeted Individuals:
Also one of the prominent and officially recognized 'syndrome' sufferer seems to hope that it will reawaken interest in the 'Havana syndrome':
Also one of the prominent and officially recognized 'syndrome' sufferer seems to hope that it will reawaken interest in the 'Havana syndrome':
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It is probably no coincidence that the Twitter account is called Redpill Drifter:
It is amazing that the ability to locate the specific location from which a sound is coming somehow makes it seem more sinister to people. I usually prefer to know which direction a sound comes from, but hearing aids tend to make it more difficult, unfortunately.
In the case of the alleged 'syndrome' victims, the cricket sound didn't even come from inside the house!
Some of the 'syndrome' victims said that they went out on the porch to record it.
I assume that David Relman is responsible for spreading the idea that a locatable sound is particularly insidious. The Relman group was also the one that has been consistently referred to as "the expert panel" - even though they seem to have missed out on a sound and acoustics expert.
One such expert, Kevin Fu at Northeastern University, who at first believed in the hypothesis about a directional sonic attack, gave up on the idea when he was told that other experts had analyzed the sound and determined that it came from the West Indian short-tailed cricket.
Is it possible that the explanation for Forbes' apparent inconsistency on this issue is that it was later discovered that the 2020 hypothesis wasn't true, i.e. that the 'syndrome' had very banal and not at all sinister causes?
An excerpt from the 1-minute-long Joe Rogan video:
It is amazing that the ability to locate the specific location from which a sound is coming somehow makes it seem more sinister to people. I usually prefer to know which direction a sound comes from, but hearing aids tend to make it more difficult, unfortunately.
In the case of the alleged 'syndrome' victims, the cricket sound didn't even come from inside the house!
Some of the 'syndrome' victims said that they went out on the porch to record it.
I assume that David Relman is responsible for spreading the idea that a locatable sound is particularly insidious. The Relman group was also the one that has been consistently referred to as "the expert panel" - even though they seem to have missed out on a sound and acoustics expert.
One such expert, Kevin Fu at Northeastern University, who at first believed in the hypothesis about a directional sonic attack, gave up on the idea when he was told that other experts had analyzed the sound and determined that it came from the West Indian short-tailed cricket.
Is it possible that the explanation for Forbes' apparent inconsistency on this issue is that it was later discovered that the 2020 hypothesis wasn't true, i.e. that the 'syndrome' had very banal and not at all sinister causes?
At this point, I actually thought that the U.S. embassy in Havana had reopened a long time ago.
It is amazing how they have managed to delay the opening of some functions this long.
I wonder if they'll shut it all down again if an embassy staffer comes down with an ailment whose cause is not immediately apparent.
It is amazing how they have managed to delay the opening of some functions this long.
I wonder if they'll shut it all down again if an embassy staffer comes down with an ailment whose cause is not immediately apparent.
The microbots have now turned into Kinetically Active Micro Structures (KAMS) (Twitter/X, Aug 21, 2023).
It is not a story I intend to follow, unless a connection to Havana, crickets or DEWs pops up at some point.
It is not a story I intend to follow, unless a connection to Havana, crickets or DEWs pops up at some point.
This article mentions several cases of mass hysteria/mass psychogenic illness, including the 'Havana syndrome'.
I don't remember hearing about this Portuguese case:
Morangos com Açúcar Virus (Wikipedia)
How a Soap Opera Virus Felled Hundreds of Students in Portugal (SmithsonianMag, Mar 6, 2017)
If the SmithsonianMag article had been written in late-2017 instead of at the beginning of the year, it would probably have mentioned the 'Havana syndrome'.
I don't remember hearing about this Portuguese case:
Morangos com Açúcar Virus (Wikipedia)
How a Soap Opera Virus Felled Hundreds of Students in Portugal (SmithsonianMag, Mar 6, 2017)
If the SmithsonianMag article had been written in late-2017 instead of at the beginning of the year, it would probably have mentioned the 'Havana syndrome'.
New article by Baloh and Bartholomew in Skeptical Inquirer:
The article looks at the three themes summed up in the seven words.
Baloh and Bartholomew mention the two articles in ProPublica by Tim Golden and Sebastian Rotella which were entirely ignored by David Relman in his NAS report as was the book by Baloh and Bartholomew.
I linked to the ProPublica articles in this thread when they were published, and I can still recommend them to anybody who hasn't read them yet or doesn't remember them:
The strange case of American diplomats in Cuba: As the mystery deepens, so do divisions in Washington. (ProPublica, Nov 9, 2018)
The sound and the fury: Inside the mystery of the Havana embassy. ProPublica (ProPublica, Feb 14, 2018)
The article looks at the three themes summed up in the seven words.
Baloh and Bartholomew mention the two articles in ProPublica by Tim Golden and Sebastian Rotella which were entirely ignored by David Relman in his NAS report as was the book by Baloh and Bartholomew.
I linked to the ProPublica articles in this thread when they were published, and I can still recommend them to anybody who hasn't read them yet or doesn't remember them:
The strange case of American diplomats in Cuba: As the mystery deepens, so do divisions in Washington. (ProPublica, Nov 9, 2018)
The sound and the fury: Inside the mystery of the Havana embassy. ProPublica (ProPublica, Feb 14, 2018)
I mentioned the recent Indian case in posts 1,985 and 1,986.
Even thought the new case is neither a diplomat nor a CIA agent. He is "Raavi Tarun, a US citizen from Las Vegas, who has been working as a software consultant."
So another 'Targeted Individual', apparently:
Even thought the new case is neither a diplomat nor a CIA agent. He is "Raavi Tarun, a US citizen from Las Vegas, who has been working as a software consultant."
So another 'Targeted Individual', apparently:
The 'syndrome' in pop culture
I never read any of the Clive Cussler mystery novels, and I don't know if I ever will:
Never mind that Cuba condemns any use of mercenaries. All American patriots know that Cubans are devious and have directed energy weapons that cause "mind-altering sickness," so ...
Interesting that there are "mysterious lights" in this story. I suppose the mysterious sound was toned down on purpose.
I never read any of the Clive Cussler mystery novels, and I don't know if I ever will:
Never mind that Cuba condemns any use of mercenaries. All American patriots know that Cubans are devious and have directed energy weapons that cause "mind-altering sickness," so ...
Interesting that there are "mysterious lights" in this story. I suppose the mysterious sound was toned down on purpose.
It occurred to me that DoD's ongoing investigation, or at least what appeared to be an important part of it, would come to an end this month, but we aren't quite there yet:
Sep 29, so still two weeks to go.
Somehow, I can't imagine that we wouldn't have heard a thing by now if they had found the smoking gun, so I guess nothing has come out of this but smoking brains.
I also notice that only "similar symptoms to those experienced by U.S. government personnel in Havana, Cuba, and China" are mentioned. It seems to imply that the symptoms experienced by other agents and diplomats in the rest of the world, e.g. the symptoms Marc Polymeropoulos had in Moscow or Olivia Troye in Washington, are not considered to be symptoms of 'Havana syndrome'.
The researchers at Wayne State U will no doubt have dissected the ferret brains to see how they responded to the microwaves, i.e. to determine if it looks like "mild concussive head injury," but since no victim of the 'syndrome' has died yet (to my knowledge), I think it will be difficult to make a proper comparison. A dog that had to be put down (in Havana, I think) was mentioned at one point, but I don't know if it is still considered to have been a victim of the 'syndrome' or if its brain was properly examined at the time.
Sep 29, so still two weeks to go.
Somehow, I can't imagine that we wouldn't have heard a thing by now if they had found the smoking gun, so I guess nothing has come out of this but smoking brains.
I also notice that only "similar symptoms to those experienced by U.S. government personnel in Havana, Cuba, and China" are mentioned. It seems to imply that the symptoms experienced by other agents and diplomats in the rest of the world, e.g. the symptoms Marc Polymeropoulos had in Moscow or Olivia Troye in Washington, are not considered to be symptoms of 'Havana syndrome'.
The researchers at Wayne State U will no doubt have dissected the ferret brains to see how they responded to the microwaves, i.e. to determine if it looks like "mild concussive head injury," but since no victim of the 'syndrome' has died yet (to my knowledge), I think it will be difficult to make a proper comparison. A dog that had to be put down (in Havana, I think) was mentioned at one point, but I don't know if it is still considered to have been a victim of the 'syndrome' or if its brain was properly examined at the time.
I thought Michael Hoffer (see post 1,918) might have stopped diagnosing cases of 'Havana syndrome', but he is still doing it, apparently:
I doubt that any insurance company will pay for that.
Brain Scans
When TIs are brain-scanned. And many of them are, apparently:
Now, I am neither a brain surgeon nor a radiologist. I am no kind of health-care professional, so if I had received a similar report after a brain scan, I would also have wondered what "high signal foci" are, but I would have asked what it meant and I expect that I would have been given a reassuring answer.
As it is, I asked Dr. Google about high signal foci and got this:
Notice that when the report about the brain scan was that "the ventricular system is within normal limits, no focal intra-cranial mass lesion identified," Teresa Tindal nevertheless read it as if the scan had found "white matter lesions."
As for the astronaut brains, I assume they are pretty healthy and well-functioning. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been allowed onboard any kind of space shuttle. (Maybe except Elon Musk's, but I'm not even sure about that.)
I look forward to hearing what Michael Hoffer will tell Dale Schenck tomorrow. (See post 1,998 from Sep 16.)
When TIs are brain-scanned. And many of them are, apparently:
What’s most interesting is they made an error & didn’t get complete imagery. The white matter lesions are consistent in all of us. You don’t have very many compared to the brains of others that I’ve seen but it also was not a complete scan
Teresa Tindal (Twitter/X, Sep 25, 2023)
Now, I am neither a brain surgeon nor a radiologist. I am no kind of health-care professional, so if I had received a similar report after a brain scan, I would also have wondered what "high signal foci" are, but I would have asked what it meant and I expect that I would have been given a reassuring answer.
As it is, I asked Dr. Google about high signal foci and got this:
Notice that when the report about the brain scan was that "the ventricular system is within normal limits, no focal intra-cranial mass lesion identified," Teresa Tindal nevertheless read it as if the scan had found "white matter lesions."
As for the astronaut brains, I assume they are pretty healthy and well-functioning. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been allowed onboard any kind of space shuttle. (Maybe except Elon Musk's, but I'm not even sure about that.)
I look forward to hearing what Michael Hoffer will tell Dale Schenck tomorrow. (See post 1,998 from Sep 16.)
The 'Syndrome' Has Come Home to Roost
The TIs don't blame Cuba or Russia for the 'syndrome'. Instead, they blame the people who invented and spread it:
It is very unfortunate that they don't know what the 'syndrome' is, but at least they've pointed out who the perpetrator was.
The TIs don't blame Cuba or Russia for the 'syndrome'. Instead, they blame the people who invented and spread it:
THIS!!!
Teresa Tindal (Twitter/X, Sep 17, 2023)
It is very unfortunate that they don't know what the 'syndrome' is, but at least they've pointed out who the perpetrator was.