Alternative Remedies for things

[W.D.Clinger]

Strange to see people going back to inferior products out of ideology.

Ideology leads people to do all sorts of other things, so why would inferior products be different?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Honey is just sugar. For a diabetic sugar is sugar and is not to be used as some sort of idiotic reverse-homeopathic remedy; no more than pure snake venom will cure a snakebite.
Also honey is really a nice place for bacteria that can kill people [newborns and infants under 12 months. Not everyone with] with weak immune systems [is at risk from the botulism spores in honey].

And how bad do you smell for two hours each day?

This advice is just inane

ftfy It's the botulism spores that can be in honey, not the bacteria. Bacteria don't usually* grow in honey because it has such a high osmotic gradient it sucks all the fluid out of the bacterial cells.

The spores get in via contaminated soil. Babies shouldn't eat dirt.

*Usually- I should say never but maybe some extremophile can survive in honey. Such an organism is unlikely to be a pathogen.

infant botulism risk

The primary risk of introducing honey too soon is infant botulism. Babies under 12 months of age are at the highest risk. While this condition is rare, most of the cases reported are diagnosed in the United States....

A baby can get botulism by eating Clostridium botulinum spores found in soil, honey, and honey products. These spores turn into bacteria in the bowels and produce harmful neurotoxins in the body.

I'm not aware of immunocompromised adults getting botulism from honey. Looking over the CDC web page they note some people with intestinal problems might be at risk.

CDC people at risk of botulism
They discuss botulism in home canned goods and growing in wounds of illegal IV drug users.

CDC

Adult intestinal toxemia (also known as adult intestinal colonization) botulism is a very rare kind of botulism that can happen if the spores of the bacteria get into an adult’s intestines, grow, and produce the toxin (similar to infant botulism). Although we don’t know why people get this kind of botulism, people who have serious health conditions that affect the gut may be more likely to get sick.

Bottom line adults and kids 1 year and older can safely consume honey. You can always ask your doctor if you are concerned.

 

[p0lka]

Btw. Honey = 99.9% sugar + bee-poop + a few pollens.

Now substitute that into your section about diabetics.

I thought honey was 99.9% a bee vomit bee swallow bee vomit chain. Haven't looked into it got my info from youtube, sorry.

 

[p0lka]

There's no such thing as a "super-food". That's a term that was invented by marketing execs as an excuse to make you pay more.

Depends on how they're defining superfood. If it's just an extra glucose overload then it's a mediocre superfood.

 

[arthwollipot]

Knowing your approximate age I presume you will also remember when people did indeed use eggs and the like of olive oil as hair "products". (That was back when you bought olive oil at a chemists in a tiny 4 fluid ounce bottle.) People stopped using those "remedies" because the commercial hair conditioners and shampoos that came along were hell of a lot better than the eggs, olive oil and other "natural" products. Strange to see people going back to inferior products out of ideology.

"Oh, I never use shampoo."

"Yes, I can tell that you only use real poo."

 

[Norman Alexander]

I thought honey was 99.9% a bee vomit bee swallow bee vomit chain. Haven't looked into it got my info from youtube, sorry.

Whatever, it's bee-effluent related. That and pollen is the brown colour in honey.

 

[Dude111]

In this thread it would seem

 
This thread says it all!!

 

[bruto]

One somewhat interesting one I heard long long ago, which then fell out of favor, but has now, apparently come back into favor, is brewed tea (obviously not piping hot) for burns. Back in the day it was folk wisdom that the tannic acid in tea helped burns to heal. Then apparently it was pooh-poohed and some issues raised which don't turnout to be quite the case, so now it seems to be back.

 

[Mojo]

This thread says it all!!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14147553#post14147553

 

[p0lka]

As a kid whenever we got stung by stingynettles, rubbing dockleaves on it would always relieve it. dockleaves always grew near stingynettles, what a nice coincidence.

 

[bruto]

A similar coincidence in plant life is that wild touch-me-not (aka jewelweed) often grows near poison ivy, for which it is also an antidote of sorts. If you hit poison ivy, rub some jewelweed on the spot, or better yet make a tea of it if you have the ability. The plant in question is notable for having bright orange flowers that make it easy to spot.

Around here we don't have the same kind of dock as one finds in England, for example. But we do have burdock, aka "great dock," and one of these days I'll have to give that a try, as I have both nettles and burdocks behind the barn. I never thought to try on purpose to get nettled.

 

[autumn1971]

ftfy It's the botulism spores that can be in honey, not the bacteria. Bacteria don't usually* grow in honey because it has such a high osmotic gradient it sucks all the fluid out of the bacterial cells.

The spores get in via contaminated soil. Babies shouldn't eat dirt.

*Usually- I should say never but maybe some extremophile can survive in honey. Such an organism is unlikely to be a pathogen.

infant botulism risk


I'm not aware of immunocompromised adults getting botulism from honey. Looking over the CDC web page they note some people with intestinal problems might be at risk.

CDC people at risk of botulism
They discuss botulism in home canned goods and growing in wounds of illegal IV drug users.

CDC


Bottom line adults and kids 1 year and older can safely consume honey. You can always ask your doctor if you are concerned.

Thank you for the correction.
My son is a type I diabetic and it really snags my curlies when people tell him the “cure for diabetes doctors won’t tell you”

My reaction was more visceral than well-researched obviously

 

[novaphile]

A similar coincidence in plant life is that wild touch-me-not (aka jewelweed) often grows near poison ivy, for which it is also an antidote of sorts. If you hit poison ivy, rub some jewelweed on the spot, or better yet make a tea of it if you have the ability. The plant in question is notable for having bright orange flowers that make it easy to spot.

Around here we don't have the same kind of dock as one finds in England, for example. But we do have burdock, aka "great dock," and one of these days I'll have to give that a try, as I have both nettles and burdocks behind the barn. I never thought to try on purpose to get nettled.

Trying to get 'nettled' on purpose is one of those curious things.

The needles are so fragile, you have to brush them with exactly the right amount of force.
Too little they bounce off, too hard they break off and don't affect you.

They grow in a couple of wetter areas in my yard, and most of the time, have no effect.

But when they do...

 

[P.J. Denyer]

We were reliably assured by a certain ex-member of this very forum that it cures EVERYTHING! And then some other stuff too.

Apparently it doesn't prevent Ban-Hammeritis.

 

[p0lka]

Trying to get 'nettled' on purpose is one of those curious things.

The needles are so fragile, you have to brush them with exactly the right amount of force.
Too little they bounce off, too hard they break off and don't affect you.

They grow in a couple of wetter areas in my yard, and most of the time, have no effect.

But when they do...

Yeah, when uprooting them if you grab them hard at the base you don't get stung...generally.

 

[Oystein]

There's no such thing as a "super-food". That's a term that was invented by marketing execs as an excuse to make you pay more.

I like the term "super-food"! I like it even better in all-caps: "SUPER-FOOD!". Helps me decide more quickly to scroll past adds and videos and posts that want to waste my time on ********.

 

[catsmate]

Trying to get 'nettled' on purpose is one of those curious things.

The needles are so fragile, you have to brush them with exactly the right amount of force.
Too little they bounce off, too hard they break off and don't affect you.

They grow in a couple of wetter areas in my yard, and most of the time, have no effect.

But when they do...

Urtication is a niche kink.

 

[ahhell]

Instead for brushing you teeth with harsh grit and chemical waste from the nuclear power industry, try rinsing your mouth with oil.

Super convenient too, instead of brushing for like 2minutes, just swish oil in your mouth for just 15 to 30 minutes.

 

[ahhell]

Trying to get 'nettled' on purpose is one of those curious things.

The needles are so fragile, you have to brush them with exactly the right amount of force.
Too little they bounce off, too hard they break off and don't affect you.

They grow in a couple of wetter areas in my yard, and most of the time, have no effect.

But when they do...

Nettles are a decent source of plant based rennet, if you need to make cheese and don't have a dead calf.......

 

[ahhell]

Knowing your approximate age I presume you will also remember when people did indeed use eggs and the like of olive oil as hair "products". (That was back when you bought olive oil at a chemists in a tiny 4 fluid ounce bottle.) People stopped using those "remedies" because the commercial hair conditioners and shampoos that came along were hell of a lot better than the eggs, olive oil and other "natural" products. Strange to see people going back to inferior products out of ideology.

Back when I was a kid 70s and 80s there was series of things you should use to wash your hair for very convincing reasons; eggs, oil, beer.... Anything but shampoo or water.