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Cont: Qanon Conspiracy Theories Part Three

Wasn't sure where to post this, but since it involves 'Q' balls, I figured here was as good a place as any...


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...513.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb

The smart bet here is that this is an example of the very common type of child kidnapping that happens in this country (which have nothing in common with QAnon fantasies), and that this was a non-custodial parent or family member doing some self-help modification of a custody order. I'd bet that the suspect turns out to be an estranged dad that decided refusing to return his own children consistent with an existing custody order was a smart way to flex their parental rights.

Not quite the glamorous or dramatic tale that fuels these Qanon conspiracies or makes for a good thriller movie, but the sad reality of how child kidnapping often occurs.

Pretty amusing that a Sounds of Freedom whackadoo would get themselves wrapped up in something like this. Average moral compass of an landlord IMO.
 
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The smart bet here is that this is an example of the very common type of child kidnapping that happens in this country (which have nothing in common with QAnon fantasies), and that this was a non-custodial parent or family member doing some self-help modification of a custody order. I'd bet that the suspect turns out to be an estranged dad that decided refusing to return his own children consistent with an existing custody order was a smart way to flex their parental rights.

Not quite the glamorous or dramatic tale that fuels these Qanon conspiracies or makes for a good thriller movie, but the sad reality of how child kidnapping often occurs.

Pretty amusing that a Sounds of Freedom whackadoo would get themselves wrapped up in something like this. Average moral compass of an landlord IMO.

He's not a parent and maybe not a family member.

“A person commits the offense of child kidnapping if he or she is not a relative of the child within the third degree and, knowing he or she has no right to do so, removes a child under the age of fourteen without consent of the child’s parents or guardian, or confines such child for a substantial period of time without such consent,” is how Marta’s charge is defined on the Missouri Revisor of Statutes.

From the article.
 
He's not a parent and maybe not a family member.



From the article.

No, but he's being charged for aiding the actual kidnapper, who we don't know much about yet.

Marta was the kidnapper's landlord and denied entry to the police, that's why he's being charged. Doesn't seem like he initiated the kidnapping but was a willing accessory after the fact.

At least, so says his defense lawyer:

Deadline reached out to the attorney of Marta, Scott Rosenblum of Rosenblum, Schwartz & Fry, in St. Louis who calls the criminal charges against his client “unfounded.”

“I don’t understand how they’re charging him with this,” Rosenblum told Deadline, “He has nothing to do with kidnapping anyone.”

Marta is a landlord to a woman who was involved in a custody dispute with her aunt. Marta was allegedly providing living arrangements to said woman and her child, the former who is involved in rehabbing the rental property.

https://deadline.com/2023/08/sound-of-freedom-child-kidnapping-charge-angel-studios-response-1235455255/
 
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Kinda a sad moment for QAnon types.

Their whole deal is about seeing their political enemies get locked up. They've been fantasizing about it for years now, and recall that the first Q post was one claiming that an arrest of Hillary Clinton was imminent.

In the real world, Clinton is on MSNBC doing a victory dance during the coverage of Trump being processed by the Fulton County Sheriff's department. Even if a conviction never happens, the hated libs are much closer to achieving the dreams of Qanon than they have ever been.

Must be awfully demoralizing.
 
More news trickling out about the ousted head of Operation Underground Railroad, Tim Ballard.

Accusations that he was using his high profile to sexually groom women involved in the organization's efforts:

Sources familiar with the situation said that the self-styled anti-slavery activist, who appears to be preparing for a Senate run, invited women to act as his “wife” on undercover overseas missions ostensibly aimed at rescuing victims of sex trafficking. He would then allegedly coerce those women into sharing a bed or showering together, claiming that it was necessary to fool traffickers. Ballard, who was played by Jim Caviezel in the hit film Sound of Freedom, is said to have sent at least one woman a photo of himself in his underwear, festooned with fake tattoos, and to have asked another “how far she was willing to go,” in the words of a source, to save children. These sources requested anonymity because they fear retaliation.


The total number of women involved is believed to be higher than seven, as that would only account for employees, not contractors or volunteers. One source close to OUR has detailed knowledge of Ballard making sexual advances to a volunteer using methods similar to those he allegedly used with OUR employees. Those methods are also consistent with his conduct toward another former volunteer who spoke to VICE News.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkaqvn/tim-ballards-departure-from-operation-underground-railroad-followed-sexual-misconduct-investigation
 
no wonder so many right-wingers hate left-wing groomers and sexual abusers: they are moving in on their territory!
 
There's so much we can say about this. Yeah, Tim Ballard wants Mitt Romney's seat in the Senate. Yeah, he made Sound of Freedom whose lead actor is full-blown QAnon. And yes, he was ousted from Operation Underground Railroad on accusations of sexual harassment. So a typical right-wing grifter.

But the view from here in the Mordor of Mormonism is hilarious. Ballard is a Mormon. The Mormon church released a statement a few days ago disavowing Ballard and formally breaking ties with him (not as a member, but as a celebrity they once endorsed). In this case the break was over Tim's unfounded claim of support from prominent Mormon leader M. Russell Ballard (no relation). This is pretty rare for the church, not just because they did it at all, but because it's rare for them to call out someone as blatantly immoral. They're usually a little more politically nuanced.

That's not even the funny part. The funny part is all the conspiracy theories from Mormons who still want to believe in Tim Ballard and are trying to figure out how to explain away their church's disavowal. It's amazing what a hold certain individuals can have over groups of people despite the hold that other individuals and institutions are trying to exert.
 
So it's basically guru V cult then? Wonder who will eventually win.

Probably not the skeptics.

Mormons make some tall truth claims. They claim their top-tier leadership—referred to collectively and reverently as "the Brethren," capital B—is led directly by God. This goes all the way back to the founder Joseph Smith who claimed he had a literal face-to-face meeting with the Almighty out in the woods in New York. The only other organized church that comes close is Catholicism's claim that the Pope is infallible on matters of faith and doctrine when speaking ex cathedra. Everyone else seems to be satisfied with some kind of Biblical inerrancy or the notion that their clergy is merely only inspired and might be wrong. But it's pretty in-your-face to claim that there exists a man in an office just a short walk from my house who literally talks to God. (Bzzzt! "Mr. Nelson, your one o'clock is here, and the parking garage is complaining that his chariot of fire is blistering the paint on the other cars.")

Most of the time the edicts from the Brethren align with fairly-right-of-center conservative political and social values. So if one is a good Mormon, one will generally also be a fairly-far-right conservative. But it's been hilarious to observe the few occasions when the Brethren (speaking directly for God, remember) prescribe something that contradicts far-right political or social movements.

During the Covid pandemic, it was first masks and then vaccines. The Brethren said to follow the civil authorities and wear masks, but the very far-right Mormons—citing their religious freedom—refused. When the Covid vaccines became available, the Brethren (speaking for God, remember) advised all church members to be vaccinated. Local TV news flashed pictures of Mormon speaker-directly-with-God-guy Russell Nelson getting his jab in the arm. But no, the Mormons who claimed to be ultra faithful still resisted on the basis of religious freedom. And then when vaccine mandates were proposed, the Utah legislature (with its Mormon supermajority) quickly made it illegal for employers to require employees to be vaccinated if they had a religious, medical, or moral reason. It was hilarious to watch those folks claim a religious exemption only to be told that the official position of their church was to be vaccinated!

Now we can generalize that into the hypothesis that people are just conservative for whatever reason, and they cite to things like religion as a convenient excuse for when those values prompt them to behave annoyingly or unfairly. But that's really beyond the scope of this thread.

In a poll reported on by the Salt Lake Tribune, 18% of Mormons also identify as QAnon believers. This is slightly higher than the national average and considerably lower than the average for Republicans regardless of religious affiliation. There has been widespread praise of Tim Ballard in Mormon-oriented social media and in the city buzz I hear. Ballard's exploits and claims have been repeated in official Mormon church outlets, on official websites, and in church-operated media (e.g., The Deseret News newspaper and KSL-TV television).

So when it becomes necessary for the Mormon church officially to distance themselves from a QAnon darling, it's fascinating to see who follows QAnon and who sticks with the church. Keep in mind these are faithful Mormons who believed up until recently that they could have both. The conspiracy theories range from reasonable ones like the church's disavowal somehow not being official all the way up to claiming the church leadership has been infiltrated by QAnon pedophiles and their highly-recognizable people replaced with doppelgangers. Or that it's limited only to the church's PR branch and that QAnon are holding the real leaders hostage in the basement of the temple or some such thing.

It really is frightening how badly people want to believe this objectively horrible nonsense. Keeping in mind how important a Mormon's faith is to family and daily life, for them to reject that and stick with QAnon is legitimately disturbing.
 
Thanks for the interesting insight into SLC/Utah, JayUtah.

Those conspiracy theories sound like Judy Byington's insane stories. Are you familiar with her?
 
Thanks for the interesting insight into SLC/Utah, JayUtah.

Those conspiracy theories sound like Judy Byington's insane stories. Are you familiar with her?

If not, https://dinarchronicles.com is good way to get your fill. She’s definitely Q-adjacent. NESARA/GESARA, all global currencies to be reset to 1:1 exchange (which she doesn’t understand would be really bad for Americans, unless they were Vietnamese-Americans or Iranian-Americans with access to their ancestral homeland currency) hence dinar chronicles based on a really old scam, quantum financial system, and much other ********.
 

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