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Merged Tucker Carlson acted with reckless disregard /Tuckered out at Fox News

TurkeysGhost said:
Tucker is gone but his stink remains.

Looks like the Jan6 CHUD that Tucker and the rest of the right wing decided to blame as some kind of fed instigator really responsible for the riot is gearing up to sue Fox News for defamation:



https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/jul/10/fox-news-tucker-carlson-ray-epps-jan-6-insurrection-lawsuit

Couldn't happen to nicer people.
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Proceeding. :popcorn6

Fox News sued for defamation by Trump supporter Ray Epps over Jan. 6 conspiracy claims
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Proceeding. :popcorn6

Fox News sued for defamation by Trump supporter Ray Epps over Jan. 6 conspiracy claims
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I am not sure how exactly I feel about that...

On one hand, fox news are a bunch of scumbags who regularly lie to their viewers. They deserve to be punished. (And their attacks on Ray Epps are based on yet more lies.)

But, Epps is not exactly an innocent figure in this (unlike say Dominion or Smartmatic). Epps was right there at the capital, urging others to get involved. He should have known it was a dumb idea to get involved in the election hoax claim. I would hate to see him benefit financially from the situation.

Basically his argument is "I was accused of being a fake terrorist when I am in fact a real terrorist". (Its like Osama Bin Laden suing the guys behind the 9/11 "loose change" conspiracy theory because they implied that it was an inside job.)

Maybe we will get lucky, he will win millions from Fox in a lawsuit, then get crushed by a meteor on his way out of the courthouse.
 
Segnosaur said:
I am not sure how exactly I feel about that...

On one hand, fox news are a bunch of scumbags who regularly lie to their viewers. They deserve to be punished. (And their attacks on Ray Epps are based on yet more lies.)

But, Epps is not exactly an innocent figure in this (unlike say Dominion or Smartmatic). Epps was right there at the capital, urging others to get involved. He should have known it was a dumb idea to get involved in the election hoax claim. I would hate to see him benefit financially from the situation.

Basically his argument is "I was accused of being a fake terrorist when I am in fact a real terrorist". (Its like Osama Bin Laden suing the guys behind the 9/11 "loose change" conspiracy theory because they implied that it was an inside job.)

Maybe we will get lucky, he will win millions from Fox in a lawsuit, then [Epps will] get crushed by a meteor on his way out of the courthouse.
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Should be that first.
 
i'm not really that familiar with the epps coverage, but man seems like an insane mess. an average right wing psycho puts on his tactical gear and fails to overthrow the government and comes home to find a news network has been accusing him of being an fbi plant putting on tactical gear and failing to overthrow the government. all, of course, to deflect blame from their favored political candidate that they were working directly with for years and on the day it happened, and to deflect blame from themselves.

anyway, it's truly disturbing how fox news can just do all the things it's done and still be operating as a news channel
 
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dirtywick said:
i'm not really that familiar with the epps coverage, but man seems like an insane mess. an average right wing psycho puts on his tactical gear and fails to overthrow the government and comes home to find a news network has been accusing him of being an fbi plant putting on tactical gear and failing to overthrow the government. all, of course, to deflect blame from their favored political candidate that they were working directly with for years and on the day it happened, and to deflect blame from themselves.

anyway, it's truly disturbing how fox news can just do all the things it's done and still be operating as a news channel
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Indeed, no heroes in this story. Epps was just one of many slavering psychos there on Jan6. Becoming the target of an insane right wing conspiracy theory himself is pretty ironic retribution. Hung by his own petard.

I hope everyone involved in this lawsuit has a miserable time, but I'm guessing Epps claims are pretty legit and Fox did in fact defame him. He is many unsavory things, but he's not a fed instigator.
 
The bizarre thing, of course, is that the "Defamation" is: " how dare you call me a law enforcement agent, working undercover to protect Congress! I'm one of the violent hatemongers planning to attack Congress!"
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The bizarre thing, of course, is that the "Defamation" is: " how dare you call me a law enforcement agent, working undercover to protect Congress! I'm one of the violent hatemongers planning to attack Congress!"
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Well, the right wing conspiracy is that the feds were acting nefariously, not doing good cop work. The whole point is that they claim he's some agent provocateur who tricked a bunch of peace-loving, law abiding Trump supporters into storming the capitol.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Well, the right wing conspiracy is that the feds were acting nefariously, not doing good cop work. The whole point is that they claim he's some agent provocateur who tricked a bunch of peace-loving, law abiding Trump supporters into storming the capitol.
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If he was such a conniving horrible anti-American bastard trickster as they claim, and they were all just patriotic tourists, then this just shows how extraordinarily gullible they were to follow his lead on the day. That, or they really wanted to do what he told them to do without needing any coercion at all. Either way, they don't come out of this well.
 
Norman Alexander said:
If he was such a conniving horrible anti-American bastard trickster as they claim, and they were all just patriotic tourists, then this just shows how extraordinarily gullible they were to follow his lead on the day. That, or they really wanted to do what he told them to do without needing any coercion at all. Either way, they don't come out of this well.
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yeah, it's thin gravy for sure. Even if an undercover fed kicked the first hole in the window, that hardly absolves the hordes of CHUDs that eagerly followed.

It's patently idiotic considering every right wing watcher was noting how explicitly belligerent the online chatter was leading up to Jan 6. People came expecting to riot, they didn't need any guidance.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Indeed, no heroes in this story. Epps was just one of many slavering psychos there on Jan6. Becoming the target of an insane right wing conspiracy theory himself is pretty ironic retribution. Hung by his own petard.

I hope everyone involved in this lawsuit has a miserable time, but I'm guessing Epps claims are pretty legit and Fox did in fact defame him. He is many unsavory things, but he's not a fed instigator.
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The Great Zaganza said:
The bizarre thing, of course, is that the "Defamation" is: " how dare you call me a law enforcement agent, working undercover to protect Congress! I'm one of the violent hatemongers planning to attack Congress!"
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Agreed. The irony is amusing in this case.
 
Tucker's new book is out and selling quite poorly.

According to numbers provided by Publisher’s Weekly, Tucker, in its first week of release, sold just 3,227 hardcover copies, putting it at number 15 on the Hardcover Nonfiction list.

But that’s not the only list Tucker made (or didn’t make). On Amazon, in its list of best-selling biographies, Tucker placed at Number 57 — just behind the graphic novel Persepolis: The Story of a Childhood, which came out in 2004 (#52), and the Audible version of presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy’s 2021 book Woke, Inc.: Inside Corporate America’s Social Justice Scam (#53). The Kindle version of Tucker did not break the top 100.

The book did not make it onto the New York Times bestseller list.

But hey, selling a book can be a tough business, especially when you don’t have a built-in audience… but here’s the funny thing about that: Tucker Carlson has a built-in audience. When he was a host on Fox News, his ratings were great. And when he started Tucker on Twitter, they were even bigger! (Except they weren’t. Despite bragging about 114 million people tuning in to his post-Fox hate fest, many of those “views” were people who might have simply happened upon the tweet containing the video while scrolling through their feed. That doesn’t mean they all watched the full video.)
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https://www.mediaite.com/media/new-tucker-carlson-biography-bombs-with-just-3000-copies-sold/

Without Fox Tucker is just another nobody.
 
What happens when the wingnut welfare groups won’t buy enough books to make your book reach the NYT bestseller list.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
What, Tucker was too mean to pay the "instant bestseller buyback" fee all (vanity) publishers offer these days?
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That's certainly something that happens often, but Tucker had access to a very large audience while the Fox primetime host. I really doubt that much of his popularity at the time was artificial.

Without Fox he's just another reactionary loudmouth, which are common as dirt these days.
 
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