Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[Stacyhs]

Yeah, but MAGA nutcases are a small minority of the country, so looking at general breakdowns like this aren't that useful.

This isn't a novel observation. Take this analysis of



Not 20 something skin heads as you might expect, but over the hill petit bourgeoisie, white collar professionals, or retirees. Well established, stable people who decided to become right wing psychos for reasons unclear. Like it or not, but MAGA seems to have taken hold of Boomers especially, and it's not surprising our would be assassins is a pee-paw in his 70's posting on Facebook. You can bury your head in the sand if you want to, but your whining about this anodyne observation grows a bit tiresome.

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2022/01/03/jan-6-rioters-white-older

Oh, for Christ's sake. You just ignore the FACT that most Boomers are NOT Trump supporting idiots because it doesn't support your bias. The highlighted above reveals your ignorance and bias. It doesn't MATTER that "Jan6 participants... disproportionately skewed old" because they didn't represent the majority of Boomers! You take some idiots who attended Jan. 6 and decide they represent the majority of Boomers. They DON'T! And you cannot provide any evidence they did.

 

[Stacyhs]

Mainly only applicable to Americans:

They're the high water mark generation. They got lots of benefits from the post WW2 economic boom and then essentially pulled the rug up from behind them.

And they cannot see that their way of life is essentially killing the planet. Remember I'm basing my opinions on the boomers I know. Almost entirely family/friends of family. They all drive big trucks, invest in Exon, and instead of downsizing their homes... they are upsizing.

And then they seemingly have an attitude the world is just and perfect. They ended rascism in the 60's and how dare anyone else say otherwise.

That's the way I see it as a "xennial". I also put a lot of blame on the people younger than me because they dont get out and vote.

Really sorry if I've offended you Stacyhs, I know you aren't like that, and I don't put any blame of the worlds problems on you. But thats how I see the boomer generation generalized.

You didn't offend me. I'm just tired of the attitude that Boomers are to blame for Trump. Like I've said before, all my friends and same generation family are Boomers and NONE of us voted for Trump.

I don't think Boomers 'ended racism'; that's just silly. It's never ended. But many of us certainly brought attention to it.

 

[The Don]

You didn't offend me. I'm just tired of the attitude that Boomers are to blame for Trump. Like I've said before, all my friends and same generation family are Boomers and NONE of us voted for Trump.

I don't think Boomers 'ended racism'; that's just silly. It's never ended. But many of us certainly brought attention to it.

Then you are the exception rather than the rule.

A majority of the over 65s voted for President Trump.

In other age groups, Trump voters were in the minority. The younger the age group, the bigger Biden's majority.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184426/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-age-us/

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Then you are the exception rather than the rule.

A majority of the over 65s voted for President Trump.

In other age groups, Trump voters were in the minority. The younger the age group, the bigger Biden's majority.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184426/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-age-us/

51% hardly makes your case given the margin of error. Then it is exit polls and without looking at gender your broad brush may not be correct since you are talking about one female forum member. I'd need to look closer at their methodology. Easier to just look elsewhere.

The Guardian

women voting 56-43 for Biden, while the two candidates were almost tied among men.

That's all ages.

“The other age groups, 30-44, 45-64, 65 and over, it’s a pretty close divide between Biden and Trump. So it’s really young people who are overwhelmingly anti-Trump and that’s really noticeable.”

Again that margin of error problem.

Exit polls:

While in 2016, they showed 52% of voters aged 65 and older voted for Trump, in 2020 he said that figure was 51%.

Again it's in the too close to call range if one is broad brushing again.

I don't want to keep looking, I think I made my point. You can if you want to support your case.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184426/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-age-us/

That survey is blocked here. Please quote the actual numbers.

 

[pgwenthold]

I wonder what the Boomers did to some people to earn that degree of hatred?

Boomers in the 70s: Disco
Boomers in the 80s: the Me Generation
Boomers in the 90s: Country Line Dancing (the return of disco)

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I am really temtped to start a rant against the Gen Xers just to show you can do that crap with ANY generation.
I get some satisfaction from, in a few years the 'Xennials" will be getting the same exact hell from their kids......just seems to be the way the world has always worked.

The problem with the "you'll get conservative when you get older" trope is that it actually requires a functioning society where older people have accumulated enough wealth to become more invested in the status quo, which is simply not the case anymore.

All these checkpoints of life are getting increasingly delayed and out of reach for average people, like being able to afford their own homes, afford to have children, a sense of job security, any prospect of a comfortable retirement.

Boomers and some Gen X will probably be the last wave of people that actually had a comfortable enough ride that they want to preserve the current system.

 

[JayUtah]

I'm proud to be an exception to the rule. As a youngster I stood in line with stars in my eyes to shake President Reagan's hand and then go out and win one for the Gipper. Nowadays I really do sympathize with Millennials and Zoomers, and my politics have gone pretty far left—which for someone in the aerospace industry is pretty lonely.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I'm proud to be an exception to the rule. As a youngster I stood in line with stars in my eyes to shake President Reagan's hand and then go out and win one for the Gipper. Nowadays I really do sympathize with Millennials and Zoomers, and my politics have gone pretty far left—which for someone in the aerospace industry is pretty lonely.

In many ways the Reaganites planted the seeds of their own destruction. The combination of deindustrialization kneecapping respectable, often unionized, blue collar work with the financialization of a university educations has lead to generations that can't meaningfully establish themselves and are instead trapped in a state of almost arrested development, at least economically speaking. Low wages, near universal precarious at-will labor, and any prospect of a better career harnessed to crushing debt all but ensures that the comfortable, middle class population that makes up the base of these political projects will cease to be large enough to dominate politics. I imagine a significant amount of any inheritance from the relatively wealthy boomers will get gobbled up by expensive end-of-life care that is a result of our for-profit healthcare system, so younger generations can't even count on benefitting from generational wealth.

The neoliberal consensus has totally smashed the social contract and we're already seeing the fallout of this. Mainstream conservative politics is dead as disco, being replaced by a neo-fascist faux-populist movement, and the neoliberal Dem party seems to be one foot in the grave and just doesn't know it yet.

 

[Trebuchet]

The guy who was killed by the FBI while threatening Biden was outed to the FBI by -- wait for it -- Truth Social!

 

[TurkeysGhost]

The guy who was killed by the FBI while threatening Biden was outed to the FBI by -- wait for it -- Truth Social!

Parler was basically an evidence locker for Jan6 rioters to post livestream videos of them doing felonies and Truth social is a convenient way to order suicide by cop directly to your doorstep.

HoneyPot.com

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I'm proud to be an exception to the rule. As a youngster I stood in line with stars in my eyes to shake President Reagan's hand and then go out and win one for the Gipper. Nowadays I really do sympathize with Millennials and Zoomers, and my politics have gone pretty far left—which for someone in the aerospace industry is pretty lonely.

Of course the other side of this is that while I could never stomach Reagan politics personally (as a general idea, I was 2 when he left office) I could at least understand why someone might, at least with some things. The GQP of today would consider Reagan's policies pinko commie woke stuff.

Which is what's REALLY frightening. The fact that people like Reagan and Nixon would be considered "too left" for the modern GQP.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Boomers and some Gen X will probably be the last wave of people that actually had a comfortable enough ride that they want to preserve the current system.

I'm really impressed with the Zoomers and late Millennials, at least judging from their political music. They're the first group growing up with the knowledge that their future's been sold out from under them, they understand exactly why, and they are pissed about it. Once they start taking power they're going to set **** on fire.

The kids are alright.

 

[Stacyhs]

Then you are the exception rather than the rule.

A majority of the over 65s voted for President Trump.

In other age groups, Trump voters were in the minority. The younger the age group, the bigger Biden's majority.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184426/presidential-election-exit-polls-share-votes-age-us/

I can't access the site to see the details. However, the one huge flaw I can see just from your post is that it's "over 65s". That would include the Silent Generation who are NOT Boomers. That's my parents' generation. That demographic is the only one that clearly had a voting preference for Trump so it skews the "over 65s" in his favor.

From my research, Boomers were more evenly split between Trump and Biden which makes me not 'the exception' at all:

Millennial voters favored Biden over Trump by margins of about 20 points, while Gen Xers and Boomers were more evenly split in their preferences.

Generation Xers, those ages 40 to 55 in 2020, divided relatively evenly (51% to 48%), as did Baby Boomers. Only among members of the Silent Generation, ages 75 to 92 in 2020, was Trump clearly favored (by 58%-42%).

 

[Delvo]

I'm really impressed with the Zoomers and late Millennials, at least judging from their political music. They're the first group growing up with the knowledge that their future's been sold out from under them, they understand exactly why, and they are pissed about it. Once they start taking power they're going to set **** on fire.

Did you forget? They already did that. That's why Portland doesn't exist anymore and its population is extinct.

OK, seriously: the problem is not just how badly the olds have ruined things for the youngs, but also which kind of each is in office. The corporatists in control of both parties might be about to die, but they've been making sure that even the younger people in office are still a bunch of corporatists, so they're essentially getting replaced with just themselves so far.

 

[JayUtah]

In many ways the Reaganites planted the seeds of their own destruction.

Indeed, and I was too young at the time to grasp how unsustainable and wrong it all was. I naively believed we were at the end of history, facing nothing but perpetual peace and prosperity. I feel like an idiot sometimes.

Of course the other side of this is that while I could never stomach Reagan politics personally (as a general idea, I was 2 when he left office) I could at least understand why someone might, at least with some things.

It had little to do with politics. Reagan had behind-the-scenes hatchet men who did all his dirty work. I found this out far too late. But Reagan was a consummate politician. All you had to do was stand in the shadow of that massive six-foot frame topped with the face of America and feel a warm, firm handshake and bask in what seemed like a genuine grandfatherly glow. You felt like he cared personally for you. He made you proud to be an American, whatever that meant at the time. He was just so very likable.

Contrast Joe Biden, who seems like he doesn't even know whether you're a relative or a constituent, or maybe his chauffeur. He seems like the kind of grandfather who wandered away from the retirement home and is looking for the Early Bird special at the local buffet. Honestly all I expected from him was to reverse the worst elements of the Trump administration. I don't think we need another Biden term.

The GQP of today would consider Reagan's policies pinko commie woke stuff.

Which is what's REALLY frightening. The fact that people like Reagan and Nixon would be considered "too left" for the modern GQP.

Yeah, I so love talking to young candidates who say they're "Reagan Republicans." The one pleasure of being somewhat older and of having mingled with Reagan politicians is that I can confidently say, "The hell you are." I don't recognizing anything from the Reagan era in modern GOP politics.

 

[Stacyhs]

Yeah, I so love talking to young candidates who say they're "Reagan Republicans." The one pleasure of being somewhat older and of having mingled with Reagan politicians is that I can confidently say, "The hell you are." I don't recognizing anything from the Reagan era in modern GOP politics.

I have the same "The hell you are" reaction to Republicans claiming to be the "Party of Lincoln".

 

[JayUtah]

I have the same "The hell you are" reaction to Republicans claiming to be the "Party of Lincoln".

I like yours better.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

... The GQP of today would consider Reagan's policies pinko commie woke stuff.

Which is what's REALLY frightening. The fact that people like Reagan and Nixon would be considered "too left" for the modern GQP.

The John Birch Society considered Nixon and Reagan commies at the time.

And a number of the worst alt-right billionaires today were raised by their John Bircher parents who were raised by their JB parents.

 

[acbytesla]

Indeed, and I was too young at the time to grasp how unsustainable and wrong it all was. I naively believed we were at the end of history, facing nothing but perpetual peace and prosperity. I feel like an idiot sometimes.

It had little to do with politics. Reagan had behind-the-scenes hatchet men who did all his dirty work. I found this out far too late. But Reagan was a consummate politician. All you had to do was stand in the shadow of that massive six-foot frame topped with the face of America and feel a warm, firm handshake and bask in what seemed like a genuine grandfatherly glow. You felt like he cared personally for you. He made you proud to be an American, whatever that meant at the time. He was just so very likable.

Contrast Joe Biden, who seems like he doesn't even know whether you're a relative or a constituent, or maybe his chauffeur. He seems like the kind of grandfather who wandered away from the retirement home and is looking for the Early Bird special at the local buffet. Honestly all I expected from him was to reverse the worst elements of the Trump administration. I don't think we need another Biden term.

Two things, Reagan was a politician with charisma. I give you that. People liked him. But his policies were terrible and put the nation on the wrong track.

Biden lacks the charisma that Reagan had. I wish he was younger and a better politician.

Still, his policies are first rate and he has succeeded far beyond I could have imagined.

Do we need another Biden term? Maybe not. But what's the alternative? The Republican party has gone nuts. The last thing this country needs is for a Republican to be elected. Can you imagine SCOTUS being even more corrupt than it already is?