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Stacyhs said:
That can be the case, but men can be just as hypocritical about it.
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I'm sure they can. I couldn’t have cared less. I have always thought that if it was ok for me it was ok for them. And later came to the conclusion that I don’t matter. As long as what they are doing is ok for them then it is ok by me.

Everyone should have the right to choose their own paths. No one should be forced down someone else's.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm sure they can. I couldn’t have cared less. I have always thought that if it was ok for me it was ok for them. And later came to the conclusion that I don’t matter. As long as what they are doing is ok for them then it is ok by me.

Everyone should have the right to choose their own paths. No one should be forced down someone else's.
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Unfortunately this is really the wrong thread to explore this but I profoundly disagree that paths are chosen by free will. In thousands of cases this is quite false.
There are agreed facts that prove this wrong, and drag shows are relevant in this decade in a way never before.
I really must rest my case here, but please consider I am arguing in good faith. I have been warned that these views are vehemently denounced by well meaning people, so sadly there are no surprises.
 
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That's what you're arguing though, that the children are choosing their paths wrongly because of drag. If paths are truly not something our choices can influence, then nothing will have an effect. And, given that children know early (I did), then it makes no sense at all to point to anything that happened afterwards as the cause.
 
Samson said:
Unfortunately this is really the wrong thread to explore this but I profoundly disagree that paths are chosen by free will. In thousands of cases this is quite false.
There are agreed facts that prove this wrong, and drag shows are relevant in this decade in a way never before.
I really must rest my case here, but please consider I am arguing in good faith. I have been warned that these views are vehemently denounced by well meaning people, so sadly there are no surprises.
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You just proved you don't know what the facts are. You just referenced a heterosexual experience that Russell Brand had at the age of 17 to show that drag is dangerous to children. If you truly are arguing in good faith, you would acknowledge your misunderstanding and reconsider your position.

You most definitely have not presented any credible evidence that drag performances has had any effect on anyone's gender identity.
 
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acbytesla said:
You just proved you don't know what the facts are. You just referenced a heterosexual experience that Russell Brand had at the age of 17 to show that drag is dangerous to children. If you truly are arguing in good faith, you would acknowledge your misunderstanding and reconsider your position.

You most definitely have not presented any credible evidence that drag performances has had any effect on anyone's gender identity.
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Here is another guy I never heard of, James Esses.
He is more fulsome in his condemnation, so it stands to reason he is more wrong than Stella O'Malley.
I feel some superbly crafted arguments coming down the pike to put him back in his box.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-sinister-rise-of-drag-shows-for-children/

And his plight for daring to challenge the infallibility of Mermaids

https://lgballiance.org.uk/statement-on-james-esses-case/
 
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Samson said:
Here is another guy I never heard of, James Esses.
He is more fulsome in his condemnation, so it stands to reason he is more wrong than Stella O'Malley.
I feel some superbly crafted arguments coming down the pike to put him back in his box.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-sinister-rise-of-drag-shows-for-children/

And his plight for daring to challenge the infallibility of Mermaids

https://lgballiance.org.uk/statement-on-james-esses-case/
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Why don't you start by acknowledging that your post about Russell Brand was nonsense and that it didn't support your claim about drag?

I read both articles. I wonder about the actual reality of the shows. It seems more likely that the description of the show is probably an exaggeration. But even if it wasn't, I don’t see any evidence that drag performances leads to gender dysphoria.
 
This is hilarious!

Pages and pages of Samson claiming drag shows "confuse children", and it turns out his "evidence" is a 17 year-old Russell Brand being taken to a hetero strip show.

Actual LOL.
 
Samson said:
Here is another guy I never heard of, James Esses.
He is more fulsome in his condemnation, so it stands to reason he is more wrong than Stella O'Malley.
I feel some superbly crafted arguments coming down the pike to put him back in his box.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-sinister-rise-of-drag-shows-for-children/

And his plight for daring to challenge the infallibility of Mermaids

https://lgballiance.org.uk/statement-on-james-esses-case/
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a guy you never heard of you say
 
Samson said:
... I really must rest my case here, but please consider I am arguing in good faith.
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Your opinions about drag impress me as fact-free and hysterical. But never mind that. Along the way, you've made false claims about factual matters that have been clearly debunked. Yet you let the lies stand.

No, that's not good faith in any way, shape or form.
 
dirtywick said:
a guy you never heard of you say
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Yes, a guy I never heard of.
He says quite a lot in support of my proposition.
The fact I had not heard of him is significant, changes the argument?
He says exactly what I have been saying about kids and drag shows but 2 years ago. He is far more trenchant than me.
 
Samson said:
Yes, a guy I never heard of.
He says quite a lot in support of my proposition.
The fact I had not heard of him is significant, changes the argument?
He says exactly what I have been saying about kids and drag shows but 2 years ago. He is far more trenchant than me.
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So what? It still doesn’t prove your point.
 
So that's a no on retracting the earlier error about Brand?

I recognize the arguing style. Make a bold claim, get asked for evidence, provide something that doesn't prove the argument, get called out on it, move right on to the next talking point without blinking.

It's great for never having to admit error, but it absolutely sinks the ability to persuade anyone actually paying attention.
 
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Samson said:
Here is another guy I never heard of, James Esses.
He is more fulsome in his condemnation, so it stands to reason he is more wrong than Stella O'Malley.
I feel some superbly crafted arguments coming down the pike to put him back in his box.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-sinister-rise-of-drag-shows-for-children/

And his plight for daring to challenge the infallibility of Mermaids

https://lgballiance.org.uk/statement-on-james-esses-case/
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You do realize that your habit of making claims, having them disproved with evidence, you just ignoring it like it never happened and moving on to the next bit of nonsense doesn't go unnoticed, don't you?
 
Stacyhs said:
You do realize that your habit of making claims, having them disproved with evidence, you just ignoring it like it never happened and moving on to the next bit of nonsense doesn't go unnoticed, don't you?
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That's a bit rich. I have been working all day and planning to acknowledge the variation to the clip.
If there is no concern with Esser's two articles the subject is closed.
 
Samson said:
That's a bit rich. I have been working all day and planning to acknowledge the variation to the clip.
If there is no concern with Esser's two articles the subject is closed.
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No concern?

What about post #2349?

(Dodge about Brand widely noted.)
 
Samson said:
Unfortunately this is really the wrong thread to explore this but I profoundly disagree that paths are chosen by free will. In thousands of cases this is quite false.
There are agreed facts that prove this wrong, and drag shows are relevant in this decade in a way never before.
I really must rest my case here, but please consider I am arguing in good faith. I have been warned that these views are vehemently denounced by well meaning people, so sadly there are no surprises.
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It is not vehement disagreement when all you have been tasked with is providing is your evidence and reasoning.
 
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