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Because the old folk don't want stories read to them, however a game of bingo and

https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/23394613.drag-queen-felicity-flappes-stars-st-ives-care-home-event/

Or a song and dance

https://www.hastingsinfocus.co.uk/2021/10/11/drag-queens/

Or a bit of dressing up

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/what-happened-drag-queen-visited-5628660

Or... Well I am sure you can search for the many drag entertainers who do entertain old folk.

Why would seniors want anyone reading to them? I do believe they know how to read.

Already presented links to several occasions of drag queens going to senior facilities. As expected, no response.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14111403#post14111403
 
My counter evidence is that drag shows have been going on, in one form or another, for at least 5 centuries.
For at least 25 centuries.

Oh come on. "Drag" has not been going on for five centuries. Not all cases of cross dressing are drag. And you certainly shouldn't be including stage actors in eras where FEMALES WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ACT AT ALL in your loosey-goosey definition of drag.
Opinionated rejections of historical precedents are not reasoned argument, even when coupled with false certainty, indignation, and a surplus of capital letters.

Actually much much longer than that. Ancient Roman and Greek plays included men and women switching gender roles. I absolutely do believe that everyone should be able to choose their own gender. It's their life not mine. They should be able to live it without fear or harassment from anyone. I think we should be compassionate and understanding.
Well, there's the problem. Not everyone wants to be compassionate, let alone understanding.

ETA: Socrates, for example, was opposed to drag shows:
Wikipedia said:
In Plato’s Republic, Socrates thought the impersonation of inferiors, such as women and slaves, that drama utilised was morally harmful. Socrates was also worried "about the ethical damage caused by the representation of 'womanish' emotions in tragedy." Plato unsurprisingly excludes poetry, embodied by the figure of a woman, from his ideal city-state.

The Athenians however thought it important to place on "display those feature of human experience that inspire terror, sorrow and rejection, and they accomplished their mission by giving women visibility and a powerful voice."

On my reading of that last sentence, the quoted author is saying Athenians of 25 centuries ago believed women "inspire terror, sorrow and rejection". Some things never change.
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For at least 25 centuries.


Opinionated rejections of historical precedents are not reasoned argument, even when coupled with false certainty, indignation, and a surplus of capital letters.


Well, there's the problem. Not everyone wants to be compassionate, let alone understanding.

I get it though. I can empathize with people being uncomfortable with it. I can't say that I am totally "comfortable" with transgenderism or homosexuality. But other people's comfort shouldn't play a role in one's life choices.
 
...For the most part, instances of actors playing a role almost never count as drag. A female playing Peter Pan is not drag. Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire is not drag.

John Leguizamo playing a drag queen in To Wong Foo might actually count as drag... but in that situation it should be noted that Leguizamo is NOT a drag queen - they were playing the role of a drag queen in a movie...
What "counts" as drag, and by what criteria do you determine what "counts" and what doesn't?
 
ETA: Socrates, for example, was opposed to drag shows:

On my reading of that last sentence, the quoted author is saying Athenians of 25 centuries ago believed women "inspire terror, sorrow and rejection". Some things never change.
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Athens was famously misogynistic even by the standards of the time, but that view was pretty common in the entire region. The things depicted as the scariest and most destructive in even their mythology was not a monster or titan but women.
 
For the most part, instances of actors playing a role almost never count as drag. A female playing Peter Pan is not drag. Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire is not drag.

John Leguizamo playing a drag queen in To Wong Foo might actually count as drag... but in that situation it should be noted that Leguizamo is NOT a drag queen - they were playing the role of a drag queen in a movie.

What "counts" as drag, and by what criteria do you determine what "counts" and what doesn't?

Exactly!

I may be strawmanning Emily, but I'm convinced that to her if the performance is clearly gay, it counts. Female impersonation in a gay way is being a drag queen. If one is just impersonating someone of the opposite sex, that's not drag.
 
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I get it though. I can empathize with people being uncomfortable with it. I can't say that I am totally "comfortable" with transgenderism or homosexuality. But other people's comfort shouldn't play a role in one's life choices.
A big step forward will be to separate homosexuality, which does exist without a disputed nature, and transgenderism which is an unholy mess.
My brother was discovered by his girlfriend dressed in women's clothes, I remember clearly the panicing phone call, and soon after he was bloated with estrogen. We had no idea till then. Since he died in 2005 it is too late to unpack into drag, transvestism, auto gynophilia, transgenderism,
transexualism or something else.
He was unmarried without children so it was less complicated.
 
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Total cop out and lazy arguing. "google it" insulates you from being called out for an example that doesn't fit your argument.

You are arguing this--present examples that you believe fit your argument.

For example, the image you posted was at a private brunch and the family chose to bring the girl and to encourage her to interact. This is not someone seeking out children, especially not the boogeyman of lack of parental control.

It's not hard, dude.

Over $200K being spent on drag queen shows at NYC schools, records show

https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/
 
A big step forward will be to separate homosexuality, which does exist without a disputed nature, and transgenderism which is an unholy mess.
My brother was discovered by his girlfriend dressed in women's clothes, I remember clearly the panicing phone call, and soon after he was bloated with estrogen. We had no idea till then. Since he died in 2005 it is too late to unpack into drag, transvestism, auto gynophilia, transgenderism,
transexualism or something else.
He was unmarried without children so it was less complicated.

I disagree entirely. It is the same kind of bigotry. It's being not understanding of something that people are uncomfortable with. By the way, lots of straight men crossdress.

As a straight cisgender man in my 60s I never got it. I don't get homosexuality, transgenderism or cross dressing. But I also don't get Dungeons and Dragons, Trekkies or renaissance fairs or almost all video games.

But I know lots of people who don't get my love of golf or chess or tennis or skiing or sailing. Now all of this probably sounds mundane. That no one would be bigoted against golfers or sailors. But what if they were?

This is America where liberty is valued. No one should be able to tell anyone how to live their life.
 
It's not hard, dude.

Over $200K being spent on drag queen shows at NYC schools, records show

https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

Now you're moving the goalposts. You complain about sexually explicit drag acts directed to children, and when challenged point any drag acts at all. You're failing to provide examines that fit your criteria. I didn't question whether drag acts were performed for children at all. I questioned the prevalence of sexually charged behavior in those acts. I believe the term "gyrations" was used--those are the examples you need to prove.
 
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It's not hard, dude.

Over $200K being spent on drag queen shows at NYC schools, records show

https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/over-200k-being-spent-on-drag-queen-shows-at-nyc-schools/

I suggest you read the article again. It doesn't say that "Over $200K being spent on drag queen shows at NYC schools, records show"


"Since 2018, the group — previously known as Drag Queen Story Hour NYC, before changing its name early this year — has received a total of $207,000 in taxpayer cash.

But that includes "appearances at public schools, street festivals, and libraries,
 
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Have you looked through the books being read? Many of them are everyday kids books, no big deal. But many of them are intentionally chosen to normalize sexual orientation and gender identity themes to very young children.

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Why is it wrong for young children to learn that different sexual orientations are normal? Why is something like Heather Has Two Mommies a threat?
 
:confused: No... as in you think it's just fine for young children to be stuffing dollar bills into the undergarments of a half-naked adult?


Do you think it's fine for a DeSantis publicity minion to claim that the half-naked adult was a drag queen when she was really a cisgender stripper, just so their campaign could keep beating on their 'Drag queens are evil' drum?
 
Why is it wrong for young children to learn that different sexual orientations are normal? Why is something like Heather Has Two Mommies a threat?
I've said it before, but I'd much rather children learn about sex and sexuality when they are young than such topics be actively concealed from them.
 
I was wrong. I'm informed that there was some drag storytelling at the weekend, we must have missed it. Perhaps I was in shock at the experience of seeing T methodically reduce a lobster to rubble, or C polish off a three-quarter kilo steak.
Or maybe it was the bill..... :(

In my experience that's where the Ts and Cs catch you out.
 
Why is it wrong for young children to learn that different sexual orientations are normal? Why is something like Heather Has Two Mommies a threat?

Because they grow up not hating the current out group. And because they've been shown that it's ok to accept diversity, they are less likely to accept the idea that other groups should be hated.

Basicly it comes down to the fact that some people are so pathetic they need somebody to kick down at.
 
Oh come on. "Drag" has not been going on for five centuries. Not all cases of cross dressing are drag. And you certainly shouldn't be including stage actors in eras where FEMALES WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ACT AT ALL in your loosey-goosey definition of drag.

For the most part, instances of actors playing a role almost never count as drag. A female playing Peter Pan is not drag. Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire is not drag.

John Leguizamo playing a drag queen in To Wong Foo might actually count as drag... but in that situation it should be noted that Leguizamo is NOT a drag queen - they were playing the role of a drag queen in a movie.

Drag has nothing to do with transgenderism. With the notable exception of Drag Queen Story Hour being used as a vehicle by which to promote transgenderism to children.

Have you looked through the books being read? Many of them are everyday kids books, no big deal. But many of them are intentionally chosen to normalize sexual orientation and gender identity themes to very young children. There's a nuance in there that gets crossed for me, personally. I would have no problem with books that promote the idea that little Johnny likes to wear frilly dresses and tiaras, and that's okay - because little male children can wear whatever they want and still be little male children. I do have a problem with books that promote the idea that because little Johnny likes to wear frilly dresses and tiaras, it means that Johnny is actually a little female child.

I WANT children and adults to feel free to wear whatever style of clothing they like (with bounds of decency and appropriateness for venue), without judgement, without harassment. I want to decouple sex from the absurd social expectations placed upon us. What I don't want, however, is to instill in children the idea that they get to "choose" what sex they are, or the idea that they have the "wrong body".

True, but drag is cross-dressing for entertainment purposes. Thats all it is. Men on stage playing women because women couldn't, is still drag. Although, the term is only thought to have originated in the mid 19th century. It was just slang... hems dragging on on the stage floor.
 
@Samson. You made the claim that "He [Biden] had a drag show on the lawn the other day, titties and all". What with hope springing eternal, perhaps this is an opportunity for you to discover that rather than doing "serious homework", you're just echoing whatever steaming BS you’ve stumbled on that suits your agenda.

By all means, prove me wrong.
 
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