Drag Shows!!

[acbytesla]

False equivalence unfortunately. Suffice to say my position is that if drag shows encourage an authorizing of gender and pronoun abuse in schools, get rid of the drag shows until the underlying fire is doused.
Many old school lefties are seeing safety in republican methodology, abhorrent though the notion may be to you.
It is a fact:
Wise and highly intelligent people call the current period the most dangerous in the history of humanity and language.

Total nonsense. Drag shows have nothing to do with gender identity. Pronoun abuse? Are you serious? How does one abuse a pronoun? Dangerous to language? Would incorrect use of pronouns lead to an epidemic of people becoming mute?
Sorry, I can't see that.

If this period in time is dangerous, it has nothing to do with drag or gender identification. It has to do with nutsos afraid of sexuality and intent on forcing their irrational hatred of anyone who is different.

 

[Samson]

Total nonsense. Drag shows have nothing to do with gender identity. Pronoun abuse? Are you serious? How does one abuse a pronoun? Dangerous to language? Would incorrect use of pronouns lead to an epidemic of people becoming mute?
Sorry, I can't see that.

If this period in time is dangerous, it has nothing to do with drag or gender identification. It has to do with nutsos afraid of sexuality and intent on forcing their irrational hatred of anyone who is different.

Yes, but like all debates of this nature, eg abortion, capital punishment, the holder of a view has internally honed it to complete correctness. I sense this from the in crowd on this thread. I can't expand further on drag shows because historically they are completely harmless. Monty Python was full of it. But times have changed. The deeper I dive into the gender and language quagmire the grimmer the world looks to me, and drag shows become as sinister as the murdering clown behind the circus.

I am not alone, and not a conspiracy person.

 

[bruto]

No apology needed.
I am saying the children are being indoctrinated with shameless lies about gender and the flexibility for their lives this allegedly leads to, and that drag shows are fuel to this inferno. No inferno and the fuel might fall harmlessly like driftwood.
(Hyperbole for a just cause).

If this were the case, would not the fuel have fallen harmlessly like driftwood for most of our distant past? Blaming drag shows for gender dysphoria seems to suggest that some imagined past was better than the present. I am not convinced this is so. Of course I'm a bit biased, because I'm a pretty thoroughly cisgendered heterosexual, and just as I know I was never confused about my orientation by my knowledge of homosexuality, and never had an urge to try out the roles or appearance of another gender, I'm pretty sure I would not be confused about my gender by recognizing that significant minorities are not so comfortable with theirs. So, having so little experience of the confusion so greatly feared, and no experience of being threatened by it, I have difficulty imagining what is so frightful about it.

I suppose it depends on how terrible you think some of those alternatives are, but I think perhaps that children who are that easily confused about the fundamental facts of their place in the world have reason to be, and pretending that they don't, or shouldn't, does not make either them or the society they live in better or happier.

 

[Samson]

If this were the case, would not the fuel have fallen harmlessly like driftwood for most of our distant past? Blaming drag shows for gender dysphoria seems to suggest that some imagined past was better than the present. I am not convinced this is so. Of course I'm a bit biased, because I'm a pretty thoroughly cisgendered heterosexual, and just as I know I was never confused about my orientation by my knowledge of homosexuality, and never had an urge to try out the roles or appearance of another gender, I'm pretty sure I would not be confused about my gender by recognizing that significant minorities are not so comfortable with theirs. So, having so little experience of the confusion so greatly feared, and no experience of being threatened by it, I have difficulty imagining what is so frightful about it.

I suppose it depends on how terrible you think some of those alternatives are, but I think perhaps that children who are that easily confused about the fundamental facts of their place in the world have reason to be, and pretending that they don't, or shouldn't, does not make either them or the society they live in better or happier.

It is straightforward to dive deep. Your stuff is for the trans thread unfortunately.
If drag shows are to aid and abet luring one more kid down the rabbit hole of body weakening, get rid of them.

Look after the sense and the sounds will look after themselves.
Look after the bodies and the minds will look after themselves.

 

[acbytesla]

Yes, but like all debates of this nature, eg abortion, capital punishment, the holder of a view has internally honed it to complete correctness. I sense this from the in crowd on this thread. I can't expand further on drag shows because historically they are completely harmless. Monty Python was full of it. But times have changed. The deeper I dive into the gender and language quagmire the grimmer the world looks to me, and drag shows become as sinister as the murdering clown behind the circus.

I am not alone, and not a conspiracy person.

I know you're not alone. Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Stalin, Idi Amin weren't alone either.

You know absolutely nothing about drag that makes it any less harmless than it ever has been. Not a damn thing. Seems to me you're afraid of your own shadow.

Gender and language quagmire? What the hell is that? I don’t fear transsexuals or anyone who is struggling with their sexuality or gender identity. They are unlikely to pose a threat to my well being or anyone elses.

What I am afraid of is people threatening others because they want to put others in neat little boxes. I'm afraid of incels and religious nuts who are determined to harm others.

 

[Samson]

I know you're not alone. Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Stalin, Idi Amin weren't alone either.

You know absolutely nothing about drag that makes it any less harmless than it ever has been. Not a damn thing. Seems to me you're afraid of your own shadow.

Gender and language quagmire? What the hell is that? I don’t fear transsexuals or anyone who is struggling with their sexuality or gender identity. They are unlikely to pose a threat to my well being or anyone elses.

What I am afraid of is people threatening others because they want to put others in neat little boxes. I'm afraid of incels and religious nuts who are determined to harm others.

Yes. Religious instruction is child abuse no question particularly Islam. And yes drag shows alone are the converse. No indoctrination, just fun. Lumberjacks pressing wild flowers is a wonderful image.
I am on a different path because I have done serious homework, there are wrecked families everywhere. Not encountering does not mean they are not there, and every day lost is another 100 souls.

 

[acbytesla]

Yes. Religious instruction is child abuse no question particularly Islam. And yes drag shows alone are the converse. No indoctrination, just fun. Lumberjacks pressing wild flowers is a wonderful image.
I am on a different path because I have done serious homework, there are wrecked families everywhere. Not encountering does not mean they are not there, and every day lost is another 100 souls.

I say bull. What serious homework? Point to a study that shows drag leads to gender dysphoria. Point to gender dysphoria wrecking families. And if families are wrecked, is it gender dysphoria that did it or bigotry and a lack of understanding?

 

[Stacyhs]

Yes, but like all debates of this nature, eg abortion, capital punishment, the holder of a view has internally honed it to complete correctness.

Or....the holder of a view has based their view on credible sources such as studies and professionals or s/he has not.

I sense this from the in crowd on this thread."

But you have not 'internally honed' your views to 'complete correctiness', right?

I can't expand further on drag shows because historically they are completely harmless. Monty Python was full of it. But times have changed. "

Oh, yes; times most certainly HAVE changed. A centuries old, harmless entertainment has been transformed by right-wing, bigoted, ignorant politicians working an agenda into 'grooming children' and causing totally 'normal' children to question their gender identity and using cat litter in schools. Amazing how this has only appeared recently!

The deeper I dive into the gender and language quagmire the grimmer the world looks to me, and drag shows become as sinister as the murdering clown behind the circus.

Maybe you're suffering from the bends. It causes disorders of higher cerebral function.

I am not alone, and not a conspiracy person.

No, you're not alone. But neither are flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, moon hoaxers, 911 hoaxers, and people who think a devil worshipping, blood drinking Hillary Clinton ran a child trafficking ring from the basement of a pizza shop in Jersey.

And you've still failed to tell me why my post was a 'false equivalency' or why you can't provide evidence of your claims in this thread.

 

[arthwollipot]

The deeper I dive into the gender and language quagmire the grimmer the world looks to me, and drag shows become as sinister as the murdering clown behind the circus.

Why "grim" and "sinister"? By what criteria do you judge things as "grim" and "sinister"?

 

[gnome]

I am on a different path because I have done serious homework, there are wrecked families everywhere. Not encountering does not mean they are not there, and every day lost is another 100 souls.

By all means, show the homework that convinced you. For example, the wrecked families. To start, you don't have to show all of them. Pick the most convincing, or your favorite, or the easiest to report on. You say "here is a forest", and I say "fine, let's have a look at one of the trees." And you get to pick which one, even. I don't know how to give you a friendlier opportunity to convince.

 

[catsmate]

I was wrong. I'm informed that there was some drag storytelling at the weekend, we must have missed it. Perhaps I was in shock at the experience of seeing T methodically reduce a lobster to rubble, or C polish off a three-quarter kilo steak.
Or maybe it was the bill.....

 

[varwoche]

Yes. Religious instruction is child abuse no question particularly Islam. And yes drag shows alone are the converse. No indoctrination, just fun. Lumberjacks pressing wild flowers is a wonderful image.
I am on a different path because I have done serious homework, there are wrecked families everywhere. Not encountering does not mean they are not there, and every day lost is another 100 souls.

Alas you fail to manifest these efforts in your incoherent, fact-deprived posts.

 

[Samson]

Alas you fail to manifest these efforts in your incoherent, fact-deprived posts.

This video is succinct and deadly.
You could think about drag shows for children as fuel for the cult while listening to what Stella O'Malley says with profound experience in the field.

https://youtu.be/Txe4u-_vgSk

 

[Darat]

This video is succinct and deadly.
You could think about drag shows for children as fuel for the cult while listening to what Stella O'Malley says with profound experience in the field.

https://youtu.be/Txe4u-_vgSk

GBNews for a start.

That aside - when in that video does it discuss the link between kids being exposed to drag as all past generations have and something that is bad, whatever that bad is?

 

[Samson]

GBNews for a start.

That aside - when in that video does it discuss the link between kids being exposed to drag as all past generations have and something that is bad, whatever that bad is?

Stella O'Malley is a titan in the field regardless of platform. She holds facts that are difficult to promote with the vested interests in control.
Because the cult is so lethal to children, I contend that drag shows can only serve to glamourise the lure of the rainbow.
I have no proof, but I would argue for a voluntary ban until big pharma and the crooked physicians are back in their boxes.

 

[lobosrul5]

Stella O'Malley is a titan in the field regardless of platform. She holds facts that are difficult to promote with the vested interests in control.
Because the cult is so lethal to children, I contend that drag shows can only serve to glamourise the lure of the rainbow.
I have no proof, but I would argue for a voluntary ban until big pharma and the crooked physicians are back in their boxes.

Thats an oxymoron. A ban cannot be voluntary.

 

[Samson]

Thats an oxymoron. A ban cannot be voluntary.

I wondered myself. But how about the rest of my broad dissertation? Anything to see or discuss?

 

[Darat]

Stella O'Malley is a titan in the field regardless of platform. She holds facts that are difficult to promote with the vested interests in control.
Because the cult is so lethal to children, I contend that drag shows can only serve to glamourise the lure of the rainbow.
I have no proof, but I would argue for a voluntary ban until big pharma and the crooked physicians are back in their boxes.

Please read what I asked and reply to that:

....when in that video does it discuss the link between kids being exposed to drag as all past generations have and something that is bad, whatever that bad is?

 

[acbytesla]

This video is succinct and deadly.
You could think about drag shows for children as fuel for the cult while listening to what Stella O'Malley says with profound experience in the field.

https://youtu.be/Txe4u-_vgSk

Stella O’Malley is a conservative gender critical therapist from Ireland and anti-transgender extremist. Hardly an unbiased clinician. BTW, her position is the exact opposite of the American Psychological Association.

 

[Samson]

Please read what I asked and reply to that:

....when in that video does it discuss the link between kids being exposed to drag as all past generations have and something that is bad, whatever that bad is?

This video with O'Malley is shorter and specific, citing at the end a real case. I had not seen it before, but is broadly what I imagine an authentic professional to say.
Is it just common sense though?

https://youtu.be/qmLL7hgsIiI