Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

Lplus said:
We don't know the circumstances. Were they peering through the window with binoculars as the son was putting his clothes on, or was the son standing at the bedroom window overlooking the neighbour's yard fondling his dick?
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From another article.


“So we got new downstairs neighbors 2 weeks ago. They have two teenage boys, one just graduated and the other one does next year. We share a backyard, my kids stay on their side but they are out there a lot. They jump on the trampoline with the sprinkler. Almost every single time the older boy goes outside on his porch and seems to be watching them. I tried to brush it off since it’s their yard too but my momma gut couldn’t shake it,” she wrote.

The post says that the two girls were coloring with chalk in the in the backyard when one told her “the boy is in the window” exposing himself and masturbating.

“I make an effort to not look in their windows so the fact that he was standing right in front of it and my daughters saw everything is absolutely disgusting,” she wrote.
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And

Katy James told Spokesman-Review that Devin Smith had a “learning disability and struggled socially,” but a classmate, Daisy Sawyer, told the newspaper Smith “harassed her at school and was known to be inappropriate.”
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Parsman said:
Again people here are arguing about the type of shootings and killings rather than being appalled that they are happening at all! This kind of thing just doesn't happen with the same frequency in the rest of the (supposedly) civilized world. And for Hercules to adopt an "I'm all right Jack" stance to this is horrifying.
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It's certainly a very American discussion. Pretty much everyone recognizes that any kind of meaningfully broad anti-gun legislation is a non-starter , so the best you can hope for is nibbling around the edges of the issue and people bickering about what tiny subset of gun violence is the most important to address.
 
William Parcher said:
Kansas City shooting leaves 3 people dead and 5 injured.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/25/us/missouri-kansas-city-shooting-sunday
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Some more information about the shooting is available. It appears that someone was hosting an illegal party at a business that was rented out and they were illegally serving alcohol. An argument occurred which led to the mass shooting.

The mayor shows up later that morning with press and police and this happens:
She and the mayor urged this community to stop the violence and speak up so those responsible can be held accountable.

“I talked to some people. We had a good conversation for a minute and then somebody else, like, put their finger over their mouth to indicate staying quiet. I think that’s regrettable,” Lucas said.
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This is a culture of criminality, not gun culture.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
It's certainly a very American discussion. Pretty much everyone recognizes that any kind of meaningfully broad anti-gun legislation is a non-starter , so the best you can hope for is nibbling around the edges of the issue and people bickering about what tiny subset of gun violence is the most important to address.
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We could, like the GOP apparently wants, start enforcing the "Hunter Biden" gun possession law as a felony. Lets round up every single gun owner with addiction issues. I'm sure that's only 20 or 30 million people.
 
lobosrul5 said:
We could, like the GOP apparently wants, start enforcing the "Hunter Biden" gun possession law as a felony. Lets round up every single gun owner with addiction issues. I'm sure that's only 20 or 30 million people.
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you would have to be a crime-loving liberal not to support this!
Where is your support for the Police if you want druggies to endanger themselves and others ???
 
Lplus said:
As you say, IF.

We don't know the circumstances. Were they peering through the window with binoculars as the son was putting his clothes on, or was the son standing at the bedroom window overlooking the neighbour's yard fondling his dick?

That said, even deliberate exhibitionism doesn't merit being shot.
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We don't know at what time the incident occurred. If it was nighttime, the teenager could have been changing in his room. With the light on, anything in the interior is visible to the outside. We also don't know where the mother and daughters were. If they were indoors, their view of the teen's window should have been obscured by the lighting in their own room, which tends to make their window act more like a mirror. Perhaps they were outside at the time, or had dimmed their lights because they were watching TV.

In any event, this is another thing that Americans get all hot and bothered about: equating nakedness with sexuality and wrongdoing. Both have their roots in the States' Puritan heritage. In my opinion, a naked person inside his own home should elicit no more that a double-take.
 
Blue Mountain said:
In my opinion, a naked person inside his own home should elicit no more that a double-take.
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A naked person masturbating with two young girls in his view probably would warrant more than a double-take. Assuming that's true of course, bit difficult to get the teenagers side of the story, being dead and all that.
 
RolandRat said:
A naked person masturbating with two young girls in his view probably would warrant more than a double-take. Assuming that's true of course, bit difficult to get the teenagers side of the story, being dead and all that.
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Sure, I agree. But also doesn't warrant a quadruple murder.

Although now that I think about it. You call the police. By the time they get there, the shows probably over. Whats your other option? Record it for evidence. GJ You've just made child porn, and handed over evidence of a felony.

Still doesnt excuse a quadruple murder.
 
Blue Mountain said:
We don't know at what time the incident occurred. If it was nighttime, the teenager could have been changing in his room. With the light on, anything in the interior is visible to the outside. We also don't know where the mother and daughters were. If they were indoors, their view of the teen's window should have been obscured by the lighting in their own room, which tends to make their window act more like a mirror. Perhaps they were outside at the time, or had dimmed their lights because they were watching TV.

In any event, this is another thing that Americans get all hot and bothered about: equating nakedness with sexuality and wrongdoing. Both have their roots in the States' Puritan heritage. In my opinion, a naked person inside his own home should elicit no more that a double-take.
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see post #121
 
Parsman said:
Again people here are arguing about the type of shootings and killings rather than being appalled that they are happening at all! This kind of thing just doesn't happen with the same frequency in the rest of the (supposedly) civilized world. And for Hercules to adopt an "I'm all right Jack" stance to this is horrifying.
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I'm still unsure why gang-related shootings "don't count". Why not?
 
TurkeysGhost said:
It's certainly a very American discussion.
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The rest of the world does not have room to speak. Did you know almost twice as many people in Europe are murdered by ghost guns compared to the US?
Granted, like a lot of pro-gun arguments, I just made that up, but it sounded scary.
 
Cain said:
The rest of the world does not have room to speak. Did you know almost twice as many people in Europe are murdered by ghost guns compared to the US?
Granted, like a lot of pro-gun arguments, I just made that up, but it sounded scary.
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Don't let the MAGAchud wingnuts hear about that. They'll be going crazy over transgender pedophiles armed with 'ghost guns' in no time.
 
arthwollipot said:
I'm still unsure why gang-related shootings "don't count". Why not?
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The approved narrative is about how some suburban white guy with an NRA membership is the greatest threat to society. Gang-related shootings are overwhelming young black guys in the city. If there's one subject the talking heads do not want to discuss, it's that.
 
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Thermal said:
Pretty sure he is saying that they apparently don't count in the eyes of many posters here, not that he thinks that they don't or shouldn't actually count.
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I have actually seen some stats which don't include them for some reason, I remember it came up in another thread.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/what-is-a-mass-shooting-and-does-chicagos-gang-violence-apply/

"From law enforcement to academics to the media, the definitions vary from the number of fatalities to whether a shooting that injures several people but doesn't kill anybody is a mass shooting. Gang-related shootings tend to not fit that definition.

"Because mass shootings that stem from domestic and gang violence are contextually distinct from high-fatality indiscriminate killings in public venues, some have argued that they should be treated separately," RAND reported.

A study done in 2002 on mass public shootings excluded incidents of gang activity and drug dealing"
 
RolandRat said:
I have actually seen some stats which don't include them for some reason, I remember it came up in another thread.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/what-is-a-mass-shooting-and-does-chicagos-gang-violence-apply/

"From law enforcement to academics to the media, the definitions vary from the number of fatalities to whether a shooting that injures several people but doesn't kill anybody is a mass shooting. Gang-related shootings tend to not fit that definition.

"Because mass shootings that stem from domestic and gang violence are contextually distinct from high-fatality indiscriminate killings in public venues, some have argued that they should be treated separately," RAND reported.

A study done in 2002 on mass public shootings excluded incidents of gang activity and drug dealing"
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I almost get gang shootings that involve gang members only as treated differently,sort of like a private business endeavor more than a public nuisance. If they involve bystanders, then they should be treated as any other mass shooting.

ETA: but I'm pretty sure his subtle point was that some posters here dismiss some shootings as "gang activity", when the articles don't even suggest that it had anything to do with gangs.
 
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Bogative said:
Some more information about the shooting is available. It appears that someone was hosting an illegal party at a business that was rented out and they were illegally serving alcohol. An argument occurred which led to the mass shooting.

The mayor shows up later that morning with press and police and this happens:


This is a culture of criminality, not gun culture.
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Both in Belgium and the Netherlands there were two illegal rave parties lasting 2-3 days.
Noone was shot. Not even by the police.
 
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