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Cont: Transwomen are not women part XII (also merged)

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"Upon becoming aware of the language in question, we have begun working to determine the origin and context of the glossary’s definitions. We have removed the page from our website while we gather more information."
 
More reporting on the would-be Penis Inspector interrupting an elementary school track event:

"As my daughter was preparing to get up and throw, a man came out of the crowd, stepped forward and walked towards a parent volunteer and said, 'This is a girls' event — why are boys throwing?'" Starr told CBC News.

Starr said she then intervened and corrected the man, whose granddaughter was also participating in the event.

"Then the gentleman started insisting that I provide documentation in the form of a certificate proving that my daughter was born a girl," Starr said.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-short-hair-girl-gender-identity-1.6875738

Demanding to see a child's papers to participate in school events. Transphobia brain rot is real.

It's good that the school is treating this seriously and seems to be taking action to trespass this freak from any other school events.

In a statement, SD23 Supt. Kevin Kaardal said the district is taking action to prohibit Tesar and his wife from entering its schools and attending its events in the future.

"We expect that adults who are invited to celebrate student success govern their behaviour and conduct themselves with the civility and respect we expect from students," Kaardal said.

Heidi Starr said she has lodged a complaint against Tesar with the Kelowna RCMP, who have confirmed their investigation into the matter.
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TurkeysGhost said:
More reporting on the would-be Penis Inspector interrupting an elementary school track event:



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-short-hair-girl-gender-identity-1.6875738

Demanding to see a child's papers to participate in school events. Transphobia brain rot is real.

It's good that the school is treating this seriously and seems to be taking action to trespass this freak from any other school events.
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According to the article, Tesar himself denies a lot of what’s being reported.

He says he only asked an official (a parent volunteer) if the event was co-ed. He says when he asked, the one mom started shouting and swearing at him, asking if he wanted to see the daughter naked or to see her genitals, and Tesar replied “no, just the certificate is okay”. That doesn’t sound like he was literally demanding papers but rather making a somewhat tongue-in-cheek reply to someone shouting at him and asking a very loaded question.

Events like these usually have a good bit of video footage. Parents and grandparents like to record their children competing. And when there’s a fight like this, seems everyone within earshot wants to document it.

Is there any video of this particular confrontation? Seems like exactly the sort of thing people are quick to record.
 
Dismember said:
According to the article, Tesar himself denies a lot of what’s being reported.

He says he only asked an official (a parent volunteer) if the event was co-ed. He says when he asked, the one mom started shouting and swearing at him, asking if he wanted to see the daughter naked or to see her genitals, and Tesar replied “no, just the certificate is okay”. That doesn’t sound like he was literally demanding papers but rather making a somewhat tongue-in-cheek reply to someone shouting at him and asking a very loaded question.

Events like these usually have a good bit of video footage. Parents and grandparents like to record their children competing. And when there’s a fight like this, seems everyone within earshot wants to document it.

Is there any video of this particular confrontation? Seems like exactly the sort of thing people are quick to record.
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To be fair, if I made such a spectacular ass of myself in public, I'd probably downplay it too. Dude's on his way to being locally known as the guy who is legally barred from setting foot on public school grounds, not exactly something to be proud of.
 
Matthew Best said:
The link has been updated - it now reads:

"Upon becoming aware of the language in question, we have begun working to determine the origin and context of the glossary’s definitions. We have removed the page from our website while we gather more information."
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The amusing irony is that the "non-man" terminology appears to have originally been the provenance of lesbians themselves:

https://queerdom.fandom.com/wiki/Lesbian

https://warwickpride.org/lesbian/

https://www.onewomanproject.org/allyship/lesbian-slang-a-not-so-comprehensive-guide



Who'd'a thunk it? I'll order in some more pearls for you and the rest of the anti-transgender crowd :)
 
LondonJohn said:
The amusing irony is that the "non-man" terminology appears to have originally been the provenance of lesbians themselves:

https://queerdom.fandom.com/wiki/Lesbian

https://warwickpride.org/lesbian/

https://www.onewomanproject.org/allyship/lesbian-slang-a-not-so-comprehensive-guide



Who'd'a thunk it? I'll order in some more pearls for you and the rest of the anti-transgender crowd :)
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That's always been a problem for the TERFs, is that the call has always been coming from inside the house.

Feminists, with the notable exception of TERFs, have been some of the leading thinkers on these issues surrounding sexuality and gender nonconformity. Trying to drive a wedge between feminism and queer theory is a fool's errand that has lead to a lot of frustration for the TERFs who have increasingly found that they either have to form their own niche splinter groups or ally with right wing reactionaries who are generally antifeminist.

TERFs use feminist language as a useful veneer for their transphobia, but it doesn't play at all among the actual feminist crowd who can see through this pretext right away. Best case scenario is that their stances are cynically used by people who have no respect at all for feminist thinking. Those that don't become fully radicalized into ardent reactionaries are, at best, useful idiots working against their own interests.
 
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TurkeysGhost said:
To be fair, if I made such a spectacular ass of myself in public, I'd probably downplay it too. Dude's on his way to being locally known as the guy who is legally barred from setting foot on public school grounds, not exactly something to be proud of.
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I’m guessing you’d also deny it if you didn’t actually do those things.

If he confessed to it, you’d (and I’d) have no problem assuming he’s guilty. But if he denies it, you conclude that also demonstrates guilt?

If Tesar did what he’s accused of, he should be banned from school events but I’m not comfortable assuming guilt yet. The school says they are “investigating”. Local law enforcement also says they’re investigating and can’t comment on the situation, but they encourage everyone to be good allies and to show their commitment to diversity and inclusion. I hope they conduct a thorough, impartial, fair investigation.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelow...osting-child-at-track-meet-denies-allegations
 
From your first link:

warning: we cannot always trust things online - therefore we cannot always trust that every word mentioned in the retelling of lesbian's history from every source is 100% factual.
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No kidding.

I mean, the definition complained of was also written by a lesbian, right?
 
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According to the article, Tesar himself denies a lot of what’s being reported.
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Yeah, I shouldn't have assumed that the original reporting was accurate. Not that I know it's not, just that caution is advised.

Is there any video of this particular confrontation? Seems like exactly the sort of thing people are quick to record.
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That might help clarify things a lot. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that neither party comported themselves admirably.
 
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That might help clarify things a lot. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that neither party comported themselves admirably.
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I'd argue that the parents' response to a stranger questioning a 9 year olds sex was quite mild. Loudly and quite explicitly labelling this person a pervert is the correct response, and they seemed only to imply it.
 
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I still maintain that this focus on the word "sex" strictly and solely in its biological sense is misleading a propos the transgender identity debate.
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Why would you maintain that? Transcending sex segregation in public policy is the only open question about trans rights today. The matter of biological sex is the only matter that matters here.
 
Matthew Best said:
The link has been updated - it now reads:

"Upon becoming aware of the language in question, we have begun working to determine the origin and context of the glossary’s definitions. We have removed the page from our website while we gather more information."
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I wonder if the "woke mob" that's "destroying college education" got to whichever undergrads or junior admins were tasked with drafting the document. : P
 
TurkeysGhost said:
I'd argue that the parents' response to a stranger questioning a 9 year olds sex was quite mild. Loudly and quite explicitly labelling this person a pervert is the correct response, and they seemed only to imply it.
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First off, we don't know what the parents' response actually was. Second, swearing at strangers (as Tesar alleges) is absolutely not mild or appropriate if Tesar only talked quietly to an official. If Tesar is only interacting with the official and the official isn't getting anything wrong in their response (which neither party is claiming they did), then there is no reason for her to interact with Tesar at all. It's a really bad idea to escalate confrontation with strangers when there's no need to do so.
 
Ziggurat said:
First off, we don't know what the parents' response actually was. Second, swearing at strangers (as Tesar alleges) is absolutely not mild or appropriate if Tesar only talked quietly to an official. If Tesar is only interacting with the official and the official isn't getting anything wrong in their response (which neither party is claiming they did), then there is no reason for her to interact with Tesar at all. It's a really bad idea to escalate confrontation with strangers when there's no need to do so.
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There's great reason to draw as much attention to weirdo perverts actually. It's good general advice to draw as many eyes as possible when dealing with antisocial freaks like this. Making a scene is usually the advice given to people to deal with aggressive and creepy strangers.

I hope the Tesars are enjoying the attention they so desperately craved.
 
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Ok, not sure if it was said yet, but the shot putter girl has a pic in the article. It's not a "pixie" haircut. Although her face is pixelated, she does look exactly like a young boy.

I could see someone saying "wait, is that a boy in there in girls shot put?" and asking if it was co-ed, maybe thinking his kid was at the wrong event or whatever. But if the adult's actions are as reported, yeah he's a creep show and should have a restraining order to keep him away from children.
 
Thermal said:
Ok, not sure if it was said yet, but the shot putter girl has a pic in the article. It's not a "pixie" haircut. Although her face is pixelated, she does look exactly like a young boy.

I could see someone saying "wait, is that a boy in there in girls shot put?" and asking if it was co-ed, maybe thinking his kid was at the wrong event or whatever. But if the adult's actions are as reported, yeah he's a creep show and should have a restraining order to keep him away from children.
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We're talking about prepubescent children anyway. Outside of any socially coded gender indicators, boys and girls this age pretty much look the same. A lot of sports don't even bother with sex segregated leagues for kids these age.
 
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