Cont: Transwomen are not women part XII (also merged)

[The Atheist]

Weird.
That is exactly how the trans activists play it.

Be honest.

It's how a small, vocal sector play it. Both sides have their extremes and neither set does the majority any good at all.

A lot of us ordinary men are appalled to be of the same sex as these delusional men.

So, you were appalled at your own brother?

Personally, I'm much more appalled by the outright bigotry of the right that is endangering the entire LGBT sector.

 

[Samson]

Be honest.

It's how a small, vocal sector play it. Both sides have their extremes and neither set does the majority any good at all.



So, you were appalled at your own brother?

Personally, I'm much more appalled by the outright bigotry of the right that is endangering the entire LGBT sector.

My brother went through puberty, I follow your posts too.
Puberty is an essential path for animals.

 

[Brainster]

PRRI did a huge (5000 people) poll of Americans on the question, "Are there only two genders?" and compared it to a 2021 poll of the same question. The result? In virtually every demographic the % of Americans saying yes to the question increased.

Among all American, 65% said there were only two genders, as compared to 59% in 2021. Democrats went from 38% to 44%. White Catholics went from 62% to 69%, while "Other Protestant of Color" jumped from 52% to 73%. Jewish Americans were the only group to hold steady with 44% saying there are only two genders, the same as in 2021.

Generation Z, the group that Upchurch has such high hopes for? They went from 43% to 57%.

 

[Lplus]

Be honest.

It's how a small, vocal sector play it. Both sides have their extremes and neither set does the majority any good at all.

Yep and they no doubt hope to become a large vocal sector, so best to nip it in the bud now...

So, you were appalled at your own brother?

Personally, I'm much more appalled by the outright bigotry of the right that is endangering the entire LGBT sector.

Which is not the subject of the thread, though no doubt you could start one.

 

[Cat Not Included]

Yep and they no doubt hope to become a large vocal sector, so best to nip it in the bud now...

"There might be some trans people somewhere saying something bad on the internet, therefore we must eliminate all trans people". Have I got that right?

 

[Lplus]

"There might be some trans people somewhere saying something bad on the internet, therefore we must eliminate all trans people". Have I got that right?

Not my idea at all, but if you think it's a good idea you should go for it.

 

[theprestige]

"There might be some trans people somewhere saying something bad on the internet, therefore we must eliminate all trans people". Have I got that right?

Forget about the internet: There are sexual predators out in the real world exploiting trans accommodations - specifically fiat self-ID - to sexually harass and abuse women in ways that were previously much easier for women to avoid or prevent.

All I'm asking is that you make some good-faith effort to close the fiat self-ID loophole for sexual predators.

 

[d4m10n]

Andy Lewis publishes part 2 of his critique of Novella's muddled attempt to produce a theory of sex as a bimodal distribution.

What I find endlessly frustrating about the "sex is bimodal" meme is that the promoters of the idea scrupulously avoid labeling their axes with actual quantities, which means we have no way of comparing the meme to an actual chart based on actual data.

 

[Ziggurat]

What I find endlessly frustrating about the "sex is bimodal" meme is that the promoters of the idea scrupulously avoid labeling their axes with actual quantities.

In poker, they call that a tell.

 

[Thermal]

Ok I'm sure the regular posters here have covered this, probably multiple times, but I can't find it:

Why is gender identification apparently the only subjective self-image that others are expected to acknowledge? Like, I see myself as a dashing, sexually irresistable young stud. It causes me great distress that others do not. Why is it that I get a flippant "get over it, it's just not reality and I'm not here to encourage your delusions"?

 

[lobosrul5]

Ok I'm sure the regular posters here have covered this, probably multiple times, but I can't find it:

Why is gender identification apparently the only subjective self-image that others are expected to acknowledge? Like, I see myself as a dashing, sexually irresistable young stud. It causes me great distress that others do not. Why is it that I get a flippant "get over it, it's just not reality and I'm not here to encourage your delusions"?

I suppose you could publicly announce that your pronouns are "super stud/royal studliness", and see what happens.

 

[theprestige]

Ok I'm sure the regular posters here have covered this, probably multiple times, but I can't find it:

Why is gender identification apparently the only subjective self-image that others are expected to acknowledge? Like, I see myself as a dashing, sexually irresistable young stud. It causes me great distress that others do not. Why is it that I get a flippant "get over it, it's just not reality and I'm not here to encourage your delusions"?

It's come up repeatedly. The answer is, in a nutshell, special pleading.

 

[Thermal]

It's come up repeatedly.

I'll bet. Seems to be the core issue.

The answer is, in a nutshell, special pleading.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[Blank]

It's come up repeatedly. The answer is, in a nutshell, special pleading.

Basically WHO

Removal of Transgendered from the mental health issue list basically means that countries following come sort of human rights legislation and WHO criterias are kinda bound to actually follow and implement transgendered rights into action which as no-surprise has been effed up royally by a lot of governments.

Being a super stud might just be delusional.. I mean, I definately support treatment and assistance on mental health issues and if you happen to actually be a super stud, good on you.

 

[Thermal]

Basically WHO

Removal of Transgendered from the mental health issue list basically means that countries following come sort of human rights legislation and WHO criterias are kinda bound to actually follow and implement transgendered rights into action which as no-surprise has been effed up royally by a lot of governments.

Being a super stud might just be delusional.. I mean, I definately support treatment and assistance on mental health issues and if you happen to actually be a super stud, good on you.

What is objectively real or delusional is not the case, tho. This thread wouldn't be here if it was. It's a subjective self ID.

ETA:your link has an interesting descriptive phrase early on: "experienced gender or assigned sex". Never heard sex being an assignment before. Gender, sure. Not sex.

 

[Blank]

The current Gender thingie basically goes as:

Women with subcategories:

• Cis-women (as in born as a woman)
• Trans woman

Men with subcategories:

• Cis-men
• Trans men

And a big bunch of not-recognized stuff that is still possible to "ignore" by shrugging and saying that just maybe the furries are a bit wonky etc.

But since any transgendered can no longer be ignored and kinda dropped thru the gaps as far as legislation and human rights go. It pretty much caused chaos at a practical level - You actually have to cater to the group now.. As in they need to have assigned bathrooms and same rights as other genders and you actually have to have some clear criteria in place as to when the conversion from male->trans woman (or female -> trans male) happens

 

[theprestige]

Basically WHO

Removal of Transgendered from the mental health issue list basically means that countries following come sort of human rights legislation and WHO criterias are kinda bound to actually follow and implement transgendered rights into action which as no-surprise has been effed up royally by a lot of governments.

Being a super stud might just be delusional.. I mean, I definately support treatment and assistance on mental health issues and if you happen to actually be a super stud, good on you.

If gender identity is not a mental disorder, then those claiming it suffer no serious harm from being sex-segregated, or being misgendered or deadnamed.

Trans folks are already protected from discrimination in housing, employment, etc.

The only remaining questions are about whether it is a human right to transcend sex segregation, by virtue of asserting a gender identity contrary to your biological sex.

Deadnaming a (non-dysphoric) trans person is no more a human rights violation than using someone's given name instead of their preferred nickname. By analogy to proper names, neither is ignoring someone's preferred pronouns.

 

[theprestige]

Forget about the internet: There are sexual predators out in the real world exploiting trans accommodations - specifically fiat self-ID - to sexually harass and abuse women in ways that were previously much easier for women to avoid or prevent.

All I'm asking is that you make some good-faith effort to close the fiat self-ID loophole for sexual predators.

Respectful bump for Cat Not Included. From the beginning of this thread, this has been for me the most important unanswered question for TRAs. I'd hate for CNI to miss it in the hustle and bustle of this thread, if they have an answer.

 

[Thermal]

Respectful bump for Cat Not Included. From the beginning of this thread, this has been for me the most important unanswered question for TRAs. I'd hate for CNI to miss it in the hustle and bustle of this thread, if they have an answer.

Well yeah. Real, delusional, or somewhere in between, everyone should be protected to let their freak flag fly and live their lives in peace. Or however they want, as long as it's all consensual.

 

[d4m10n]

Why is gender identification apparently the only subjective self-image that others are expected to acknowledge?

Sometimes people are oppressed because of things which they cannot easily hide from the world (e.g. sex, ethnicity, social class) and sometimes people are oppressed because of things which they do in private (e.g. consensual homosexual activity, historically known in common law as a crime against nature^WP). The latter sort of things need to be self-declared to be publicly known, so a part of promoting social acceptance for the folks we celebrate during Pride Month^WP is to believe and accept someone's identity when they come out of the closet as L, G, B, T, Q, I, A, 2S, etc.