Moderated Using wrong pronouns= violence??

[TurkeysGhost]

There is nothing courteous about encouraging our kids to treat possibly hurtful words as a criminal act. Such an attitude is turning our children into delicate little snowflakes who will collapse at the first sign of possible transgression.

We need to teach our children to man up, not blow up.

I dunno, it could be worse. They could be spending their free time trying to find obscure policy statements to get upset about.

I've always found the snowflake insult to be an especially strange one to come from reactionaries, considering grievance is like 99% of their ideological movement. Being really, really mad about nothing is their whole thing.

 

[Hercules56]

It's an incredibly useful and quick way to find out who acquaintances you might not know very well are incredibly petty and rude. I encourage all out of touch boomers to die on this hill.

Do you really think it helps your argument to assume everyone who disagrees with you is of a certain generation? And if you are correct does that somehow give you an excuse to disregard their beliefs?

 

[Donal]

Yeah its ******* ridiculous and damn obnoxious.

If someone introduces themselves as "Bobby" do you correct them and tell them their name is Robert or Roberto or Roberta?

 

[Ziggurat]

It's an incredibly useful and quick way to find out who acquaintances you might not know very well are incredibly petty and rude. I encourage all out of touch boomers to die on this hill.

If someone puts their pronouns on their resume, don't hire them. They're more trouble than they're worth, and will complain endlessly about how rude other people are.

 

[Donal]

I think the moral lesson of this thread is that we need to teach our children to have thicker skin.

As demonstrated by grown ass adults losing their minds over being asked to be considerate of others. Seriously, grow up, buttercup.

Clearly they are way too sensitive and their feelings are way too delicate.

WAAA! Why do I have to use your pronouns!

Life is sometimes complicated and difficult and on occasion you will encounter language that you find hurtful. That doesn't give you the right to smack somebody or accuse them of a crime. In essence, grow up butter cup.

If self awareness were oxygen, you'd suffocate.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

If someone introduces themselves as "Bobby" do you correct them and tell them their name is Robert or Roberto or Roberta?

I had an extended family member who refused to accept that a married woman kept her own last name and would always pointedly used her husband's last name instead. It's pretty wild how petty some people will be about nothing. Some old people spend their free time with cool hobbies like restoring old motorcycles or bird watching, some decide being miserable is a good passtime.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

If someone puts their pronouns on their resume, don't hire them. They're more trouble than they're worth, and will complain endlessly about how rude other people are.

this is such a good idea it should be committed to an email. Send it to HR and wait for them to recognize your genius!

 

[Donal]

If someone puts their pronouns on their resume, don't hire them. They're more trouble than they're worth, and will complain endlessly about how rude other people are.

If someone complains about pronouns, don't hire them. They're more trouble than they're worth, and will complain endlessly about how sensitive other people are. And are likely a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

[Ziggurat]

If someone introduces themselves as "Bobby" do you correct them and tell them their name is Robert or Roberto or Roberta?

It's rude to try to correct someone when they're telling you their preference, because nobody is wrong about what their preference is.

But conversely, their preference doesn't automatically have to dictate your behavior. I don't think it's rude to use their full name even if they prefer a nickname. I would find it odd, but I would never consider it an act of oppression or violence.

 

[Ziggurat]

this is such a good idea it should be committed to an email. Send it to HR and wait for them to recognize your genius!

I've already pointed out why that won't work. You might think the purpose of HR is to prevent lawsuits. But HR doesn't actually see it that way.

 

[Donal]

It's rude to try to correct someone when they're telling you their preference, because nobody is wrong about what their preference is.

But conversely, their preference doesn't automatically have to dictate your behavior. I don't think it's rude to use their full name even if they prefer a nickname. I would find it odd, but I would never consider it an act of oppression or violence.

Have you ever heard of someone being physically attacked for preferring being called Bobby? Have elected officials in national offices ever referred to people who want be called Bobby as evil or degenerate?

 

[Donal]

I've already pointed out why that won't work. You might think the purpose of HR is to prevent lawsuits. But HR doesn't actually see it that way.

That's exactly what HR does. They'll cut loose who ever they think they have to to prevent the lawsuit. That used to exclusively be the targets. Currently, its still more likely the targets but is now more frequently the offenders.

 

[Mojo]

But conversely, their preference doesn't automatically have to dictate your behavior.

No, you have the right to be an ******** free speech.

 

[Ziggurat]

Have you ever heard of someone being physically attacked for preferring being called Bobby?

See, now you're talking about actual violence. Not this made up bull **** narcissism about wrong pronouns being oppression and violence. Can you see the difference? Because I note that you're not comparing this to people who want to be called Bobby being called Robert instead. You don't actually think that would be terrible, because obviously it wouldn't be.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

No, you have the right to be an ******** free speech.

For all the whining about colleges, this is one of the few environments where the above statement is more true. Pretty much everywhere else we spend most of our time as adults is going to bounce your ass in a hurry if you don't mesh with the culture, and often these requirements are quite strict.

Being in academia is like the job you want if you're a cranky reactionary baby, because it's one of the few places that is meaningfully restrained from ****-canning you for being annoying.

 

[Hercules56]

Have you ever heard of someone being physically attacked for preferring being called Bobby? Have elected officials in national offices ever referred to people who want be called Bobby as evil or degenerate?

Thank you for bringing up an actual example of true violence. Words are not violence. Ever.

They can be criminal, as it should be illegal to threaten violence against someone. But they are not violence and should never be considered violence. If we do that we go down the road to literally criminalizing speech and that takes us to North Korea, Iran and East Germany. Jawohl!!

 

[Hercules56]

No, you have the right to be an ******** free speech.

Yes, it is rude and unfair and uncivil and it's not nice and is impolite, but in our society as long as you are not threatening violence you have the right to be an *******. That is part of what makes America such a great country.

 

[Donal]

See, now you're talking about actual violence. Not this made up bull **** narcissism about wrong pronouns being oppression and violence.

You missed the point

Can you see the difference? Because I note that you're not comparing this to people who want to be called Bobby being called Robert instead. You don't actually think that would be terrible, because obviously it wouldn't be.

The point of the Bobby line is that we already extend a similar courtesy to people. My follow up regarding violence is to point out how the stakes are higher in the instance of transgender people.

 

[Donal]

Thank you for bringing up an actual example of true violence. Words are not violence. Ever.

But words can be used to justify violence, right?

They can be criminal, as it should be illegal to threaten violence against someone. But they are not violence and should never be considered violence. If we do that we go down the road to literally criminalizing speech and that takes us to North Korea, Iran and East Germany. Jawohl!!

Places well known for their love of "others".

Again, you are getting your skivvies in a twist over a blog post of no consequence by someone with no power about being considerate of others. The intent was to inform cis folks about the power of their choice of language. No reasonable person can read that and use it as a legal defense of violence.

 

[Ziggurat]

That's exactly what HR does.

Would that it were so. But often it's not. As the saying goes, if you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made off of prolonging the problem. And HR makes money off the problem.

DEI training doesn't work. There's never been any evidence that it does. Yet HR departments keep doing it. Why? Because it keeps HR employed.