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Upchurch said:
Well, sure. You might think that if you wanted to expend the energy to remember what was said from one post to the next. :rolleyes:
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Spare me, honestly. We were disucssing the Constitution here. Fine then, make me feel guilty about the derail.
 
Freakshow said:
There is a quote I really like.
I don't have the time right now to search for the exact quote and who originally said it.
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." - Lord Alexander Tytler on the fall of the Athenian republic

Ironically, he never really wrote it. But people like the quote anyway.
:D
 
Beerina said:
By telling me I must join the government's health care plan.
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You don't have to join the government's health plan. Never have, never will. Even in the most astonishingly socialist versions of national health care implemented across the world, you've always had the option to get your health care from a private party if you so choose.

What you must do is to pay for the government's health care plan, whether you plan to use it or not. Just like you must pay for the public libraries, whether you read or not; pay for the fire brigade, whether your house is on fire or not; pay for the army, whether you enlist or not; pay for SEC oversight of the stock market, whether you own stocks or not, and so forth.
 
I watched the movie till the end. Then when I tried to "Take Action", I got a 404 error.

I blame John Ashcroft.
 
drkitten said:
Really?

What are mercenaries, then?
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http://www.fortliberty.org/private-military-companies.shtml

You want mercenaries? Here you go:

AirScan Inc. Airborne Surveillance and Security Operations
AirScan is a private military company which is comitted to providing client the best air, ground, and maritime surveillance, security and aviation possible. AirScan strives for professional, timely results in response to clients' worldwide airborne surveillance and aviation requirements.

AMA Associated Limited
UK based AMA Associates Ltd provides training and consultancy in the following: Risk and Crisis Management; Fraud Investigation; Surveillance; Technical Counter-surveillance; Security Management; Counter Terrorist and Hostage Release; Maritime Security; Aviation Security and Air Cargo Security at all levels; Close Protection and Executive Management and Management of Aggressive Behavior.

ArmorGroup
Private military company with practices in: Security Planning and Management, Training, Mine Action, Response Center, Kidnap and Ransom, Humanitarian Support, Information Business Intelligence and Fraud, and Intellectual Property Asset Protection.

Beni Tal
Israeli private military company.

Blackwater Security Consulting
Blackwater Security Consulting has its roots in the Special Operations community and continues to sustain the skills acquired over the years. These skills are effective tools that support both national and commercial objectives. Our staff has a wealth of exceptional experience worldwide and is renowned for dealing with high-risk situations and complex operations. Our mission is to provide the client with veteran military, intelligence and law enforcement professionals with demonstrated field operations performance tempered with mature experience in both foreign and domestic requirements.

Combat Support Associates
Private Military Company at Camp Doha, Kuwait

Control Risks Group
CRG is a private military company with a diverse portfolio of services, including: Anti-Money Laundering, Asset Tracing, Audio Forensics, Bomb Threats. Close Protection, Defensive Driving Training, Evacuation Planning, Extortion, Kidnap, Maritime Security, and Personal Security.

CSC
CSC entered the private military company market by purchasing DynCorp.

Eagle Aviation
Eagle Aviation is a full service Fixed Base Operator centrally located on the eastern seaboard, providing convenient, quality service to the general aviation industry. Our one-stop location is ideal for all of your business and personal aviation needs. Occupying more than 36 acres at the Columbia Metropolitan Airport (CAE – Columbia, SC), Eagle Aviation has built an international reputation for excellence as a full service facility. Our 81,000 sq. ft. operation offers a variety of services that we invite you to explore on this site.

Global Development Four GD4's mission is simple. To manage transport fleets – in any part of the world, no matter how difficult the terrain, how hostile the elements, or how unsympathetic the political climate – providing guidance, operational help and support. Whatever your needs, now or in the future, you can make GD4 your single source for vehicle fleet management and maintenance.

Global Risk International Since its incorporation in 1999, the Global Risk group have strived to be the leaders in international risk management. With an ever increasing threat to international security and industrial espionage, Global Risk International (GRI) takes a more bespoke approach to the security industry, providing a comprehensive, tailor-made service without compromising the integrity, professionalism and confidentiality that you have come to expect from Global Risk. GRI is the largest British private military company. GRI provides services in crisis management, kidnap and extortion management, fraud and insurance investigation, and counter-surveillance.

Hart Security
Hart Security provides a comprehensive marine risk management program deploying finance, insurance, security and industry expertise to ensure a coordinated response to all security risks, with a focus on terrorism, political instability and criminal activity.

Halliburton
Halliburton is a private military company which specializes in energy and infrastructure. Many people still know Halliburton by their old name, Kellogg, Brown & Root.

International Charter Incorporated of Oregon
International charter company that acts as a private military company in peacekeeping support and relief services. Past work includes Liberia, Haiti, Sierra Leone, Nigeria and Sudan.

Janusian Security Risk Management
Janusian Security Risk Management Ltd has been formed as a subsidiary of The Risk Advisory Group to respond to the demand from corporate security professionals for high quality analysis-led support to protect their organisations from the challenges of terrorism, political violence and serious crime. Janusian extends The Risk Advisory Group's established reputation as a leading supplier of risk management services to include a range of security resources for the defence of personnel and assets. Our core concept is to offer a multi-disciplinary specialist approach to security management, utilising the most qualified experts in the field. Our specialists have built their reputations upon challenging the orthodoxy, drawing upon their collective experience while approaching each task without preconceptions. We combine an understanding of the threats our clients face with equal comprehension of the needs of their individual businesses, and seek to provide solutions that are innovative and flexible. We work with our clients, for their benefit, not our own. Our recommendations are based upon objective assessments of each unique set of circumstances. We aim to serve our clients best by being honest about what is possible and what is not, and are committed to providing services that deliver value. We are committed to acting within the law at all times, and providing complete confidentiality and security to our clients. In these respects Janusian is a new vision in security risk management.

Military Professional Resources, Inc.
The world's greatest corporate military expertise -- capitalizing on the experience and skills of America's best seasons professionals. Integrity, ethics, professionalism, quality, and cost competitiveness are our hallmarks -- a claim borne out by past performance. One of the oldest private military companies in continuous existence.
Northbridge Services Group Ltd. Private Military Company offering strategic advice, intelligence support, humanitarian disaster relief, counter-terrorism, support for law and order, and close protection teams.
Sandline International Sandline is a Private Military Company (PMC) focusing on conflict resolution. The company works worldwide and is resourced by professionals with many years of operational experience at senior rank within first world armies.

Securicor Hong Kong
Securicor Hong Kong is the Asia regions' longest-established security company, commencing operations in 1963. Since then the business has expanded into eight other territories and is one of the most familiar and respected names in security.

The Steele Foundation
The Steele Foundation is a multinational firm providing a broad range of specialized risk management services that are designed to control loss by providing innovative and strategic business solutions. Since 1989, The Steele Foundation has been partnering with our clients and industry to provide strategic safety and security services that mitigate risk and minimize loss, both financially and physically. As a respected professional service firm, our daily preoccupation is to raise industry standards through extraordinary customer care, exceptional subject matter depth, and by employing a proactive business practice with the highest standards of ethics, integrity, and professionalism. We are a world-class provider of security, safety and enterprise risk management solutions. The Steele Foundation has been servicing a multinational clientele of governments, corporations, individuals and non-profit organizations to protect their interests 24/7 - proactive and comprehensive, our services eliminate business risks that affect your bottom line before they happen. The Steele Foundation has six core business groups including Business Investigations, Executive Security, Crisis Management, Behavioral Sciences, Information Security, Crisis and Environmental Services. Recognized as a leader in Enterprise Risk Management (ERM) solutions and risk mitigation strategies, The Steele Foundation specializes in the areas of physical threat assessments, social contingency planning, crisis management, architectural and personal safety and security, information and intelligence management, and corporate program development. Our global operations are supported by 24/7 support staff, a global administration team, and backed by a dynamic corporate infrastructure

Triple Canopy
Triple Canopy is dedicated to providing organizations with the capabilities and insight to reduce exposire to hostile threats.
UK Defence Services Ltd. UK Defence Services offers physical security, close protection, canine services, electronic counter measures, maritime serity and explosived ordnance disposal (EOD).

Vinnell Corporation
Vinnell Corporation, is a private military company which is a recognized leader in facilities operation and maintenance, military training, educational and vocational training, and logistics support in the United States and overseas. Since its modest beginnings during the Great Depression, Vinnell has successfully completed projects on 5 continents and in over 50 countries for a variety of government and commercial customers. Our technical expertise, experience, and outstanding record of achievement assure our clients that we will respond effectively and efficiently to meet their needs
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The common defense is a common good, not a private one, so we all benefit from a safe society. However, there's a thriving market in...more private military services.
 
What people that oppose a national healthcare system sometimes fail to realize is that it's already here and they're already paying for it. Who do you think pays the bills for indigent patients that get emergency care? Everybody else. The difference is that by the time the indigent shows up, it's an emergency at four times the expense. That's a good plan. Wouldn't want to come up with some commie plan that saves money by offering preventative care outside of emergency rooms.
 
drkitten said:
I want the road in front of my house to be free from potholes, but I don't want The Man to know where I choose to drive to.
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They will soon if they don't already. All the pieces are there, all they have to do is plug them together. Cameras on major intersections and highways, plus character recognition software, plus a not so big computer database = live tracking of every single vehicle.

Given a number of these camera feeds are open to the public, you could probably do this yourself.
 
gnome said:
What people that oppose a national healthcare system sometimes fail to realize is that it's already here and they're already paying for it. Who do you think pays the bills for indigent patients that get emergency care?
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But is the number of indigent patients significant enough?
 
gnome said:
What people that oppose a national healthcare system sometimes fail to realize is that it's already here and they're already paying for it. Who do you think pays the bills for indigent patients that get emergency care? Everybody else. The difference is that by the time the indigent shows up, it's an emergency at four times the expense. That's a good plan. Wouldn't want to come up with some commie plan that saves money by offering preventative care outside of emergency rooms.
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It is a matter of degree. Why make (what I consider to be) a bad situation worse? Are you seriously saying that my taxes would go DOWN if we instituted a national healthcare plan?
 
Freakshow said:
It is a matter of degree. Why make (what I consider to be) a bad situation worse? Are you seriously saying that my taxes would go DOWN if we instituted a national healthcare plan?
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I don't know it it would equate to your taxes going down but most national health services cost less then the USA currently spends on medical treatment (per head of population).
 
Darat said:
I don't know it it would equate to your taxes going down but most national health services cost less then the USA currently spends on medical treatment (per head of population).
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But who is paying for it, and how? That is an important consideration to some of us.

There also has to be considered availability and quality of care. By "quality of care", I don't just mean the capabilities of the medical staff. I mean also things such as what my insurance will and won't pay for, and how much I have to pay for deductables and co-payments, etc. I have one of the best private health insurance deals you can possibly imagine. And it is not an accident. I worked very hard to get it. I would find it hard to believe that I would have as good of an experience with a national health care service.
 
Grammatron said:
But is the number of indigent patients significant enough?
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Well, it is substantial, and some hospitals in some places suffer greatly because of the attempt to 'do it on the cheap' that means they lose money on it, and get sued for negligence at the same time.

What's more, the whole medical care mess, including the payments to malpractice insurance, etc, which is pretty profitable insurance as far as I know, pretty much insures that most average people WILL be indigent by the time they die. Medical bills and the like typically destroy most people's estates.

It's another case of the rich getting richer, and the middle class being destroyed.
 
Freakshow said:
But who is paying for it, and how? That is an important consideration to some of us.
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Well tax payers of course - that bottomless supply of money for all governments!

Freakshow said:
There also has to be considered availability and quality of care. By "quality of care", I don't just mean the capabilities of the medical staff. I mean also things such as what my insurance will and won't pay for, and how much I have to pay for deductables and co-payments, etc. I have one of the best private health insurance deals you can possibly imagine. And it is not an accident. I worked very hard to get it. I would find it hard to believe that I would have as good of an experience with a national health care service.
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