There is a contradiction in your post.
Remember in communism's description there is no state, so a totalitarian statism is a failure of communism but a success for Nazism.
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What Happens to Downtown?
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There is a contradiction in your post.
Remember in communism's description there is no state, so a totalitarian statism is a failure of communism but a success for Nazism.
wareyin
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And I thought you were confused when you thought the mafia was equivalent to the government. You've exceeded that one for sheer 'what-the-****-ery' here!
theprestige
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Totalitarian statists don't stop being statists just because they say their totalitarian regime wouldn't be a "state".
Nope.
Hercules56
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In the name of academic correctness, I think you mean Socialism.
Steve
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To far too many Americans there is no difference.
NewtonTrino
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I'm a pretty hardcore capitalist. To me Covid caused a shift in the way we do business to a new stable state. Previously work in office was the norm, hiring people and moving them to work in our local office was the norm.
In March 2020 we closed our office and went virtual. We quickly ditched our office lease as well. Luckily we were able to get out of a substantial lease with minimal fees (about $50k).
Once we moved to virtual we started to expand our team outside not only our home state but outside our time zone. If we wanted to go back to full in office work it would basically be impossible because there is no way most people would agree to move here. Not to mention cost of living here is substantially more than many places they live.
At this point we are locked into full time remote whether we like it or not. Personally I like it and don't see going back to having an office ever. Without Covid this shift may never have happened.
As far as the virus goes that's been over for us since the vaccine hit. I've gone to about 80 NHL games in the last couple of years, concerts, restaurants and on a decent amount of trips.
In March 2020 we closed our office and went virtual. We quickly ditched our office lease as well. Luckily we were able to get out of a substantial lease with minimal fees (about $50k).
Once we moved to virtual we started to expand our team outside not only our home state but outside our time zone. If we wanted to go back to full in office work it would basically be impossible because there is no way most people would agree to move here. Not to mention cost of living here is substantially more than many places they live.
At this point we are locked into full time remote whether we like it or not. Personally I like it and don't see going back to having an office ever. Without Covid this shift may never have happened.
As far as the virus goes that's been over for us since the vaccine hit. I've gone to about 80 NHL games in the last couple of years, concerts, restaurants and on a decent amount of trips.
theprestige
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I'm kinda hoping that the current concept of urban cores will be replaced substantially by "fifteen minute cities" or whatever the term is.
However, I think there are logistical problems with economies of scale, with supplying a large number of small grocery stores versus a small number of centrally located large grocery stores. Things like that.
However, I think there are logistical problems with economies of scale, with supplying a large number of small grocery stores versus a small number of centrally located large grocery stores. Things like that.
novaphile
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The grocery store question is interesting.
In recent times, there were widely published shortages in Australia of fruit and vegetables.
I didn't notice them.
The reason is simple. Big supermarkets rely on centralised warehouses and all product is shipped into a warehouse, and then shipped back out again.
This process wastes resources, for example, you can buy produce at Woolworths in South Australia, that was grown here, driven to Queensland, and then driven back to the local store. That's a lot of diesel fuel consumed for no reason (except enabling the supermarkets to force farmers to sell at the supermarket's price). The time it takes to do that pointless trip also reduces quality, and there is some spoilage that is written off.
Local greengrocers rely on local markets, which rely on local producers.
Some local greengrocers rely on a scheme where back-yard growers sell their produce to the local store.
Somehow the local system is more resilient, than the centralised system, and we didn't see any of the national shortages in our local (non supermarket) stores.
Some of the supermarkets were starkly under-provisioned though.
My state does have a lot of 'market garden' producers, but I would have thought we were very small in terms of the national market.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that I shop at a local greengrocer, that may not be clear from the above.
Delvo
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To even give an answer about Communism at all is to just feed into the lie that any of those countries ever had anything to with anything anybody said in this thread before the liars started lying that we had.
Every "organisation" requires a means of making decisions and implementing them - in this case that is "the state". To suggest communism doesn't require such a means simply suggests communism should be relegated to the realms of the theoretical, where it is best left.
Thus the phrase Communist government" becomes an oxymoron.
Have to disagree, communism shouldn't be relegated to the realms of the theoretical, it doesn't even amount to that, it's nothing but a fantasy. Even if your assume infinite resources (or even effective infinite resources i.e. something like "duplicators") it still couldn't work. My only point was that it doesn't have as any of its principles the mass executions of fellow citizens whereas the mass executions of fellow citizens is one of the principles of Nazism.Every "organisation" requires a means of making decisions and implementing them - in this case that is "the state". To suggest communism doesn't require such a means simply suggests communism should be relegated to the realms of the theoretical, where it is best left.
Thus the phrase Communist government" becomes an oxymoron.
novaphile
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novaphile
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I guess this has been mentioned before, but urban decay is a thing, and has been a thing, since forever...
My local city, literally a square mile, has had pockets of decay in it.
There was some disgruntlement when my organisation moved into one of those pockets in the city, because there were no coffee shops, and many derelict buildings.
However, the building of two new huge buildings, (Police Headquarters and a giant private hospital) into that area instantly caused the re-emergence of coffee shops, snack bars etc. and the local hotels (bars) also freshened up very quickly.
So these things are probably part of an ongoing cycle...
My local city, literally a square mile, has had pockets of decay in it.
There was some disgruntlement when my organisation moved into one of those pockets in the city, because there were no coffee shops, and many derelict buildings.
However, the building of two new huge buildings, (Police Headquarters and a giant private hospital) into that area instantly caused the re-emergence of coffee shops, snack bars etc. and the local hotels (bars) also freshened up very quickly.
So these things are probably part of an ongoing cycle...
arthwollipot
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For someone who owns multiple Ferraris, this does not surprise me.
You are aware that the OP mentioned the "many changes in society, notably the work-from-home revolution" caused by the (apparently one and only) "Covid year", aren't you? So if you start a thread about communism and Covid and mention how they are allegedly affected by downtown revitalization, I don't see why we couldn't talk about that.
The purpose of this thread wasn't to answer the question, "What Happens to Downtown?" The purpose was to bitch about the homeless and crime.
theprestige
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Pockets of decay that get redeveloped in healthy cycles of creative destruction is one thing.
This is something else:
Portland drug counselor calls for new approach to homelessness (KOIN)
“We enable, we do not empower these individuals to reach their fullest potential,” Dahlgren said. “What we’re getting wrong is we’re not helping these individuals thrive. We’re simply loving them to death out there and I witness this personally, dozens and dozens of times.”
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The drug and alcohol counselor said he “absolutely” agrees with Gov. Kotek’s decision to withhold funding from Multnomah County and Portland for not having detailed plans explaining how they would address homelessness.
“Finally, people are saying, ‘Stop. How are you spending the money and how are you going to solve this?’ Because the fact is, over the last seven years since the Joint Office of Homeless Services was established, our crisis has gone through the roof,” Dahlgren said.
[...]
The drug and alcohol counselor said he “absolutely” agrees with Gov. Kotek’s decision to withhold funding from Multnomah County and Portland for not having detailed plans explaining how they would address homelessness.
“Finally, people are saying, ‘Stop. How are you spending the money and how are you going to solve this?’ Because the fact is, over the last seven years since the Joint Office of Homeless Services was established, our crisis has gone through the roof,” Dahlgren said.
Less of an urban cycle of death and rebirth, and more of a downward spiral.
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To be fair, most of them collapse or evaporate after a generation or two. I'm curious how many kipputzes still exist and how many there used to be.
I'm not not necessarily an anti communist, but the problem is definitely about how to get from here to there and so far, its mostly been through rather brutal totalitarian regimes that haven't actually gotten there. In the post scarcity future, maybe and in my opinion that seems to be what Marx was getting at. Capitalism would reduce scarcity and eventually result in communism. His followers have generally tried to hasten that process to rather bad results.
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